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alexei sayle
Why should you be happy? I won't let you be happy.

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Talal K
Nine. no no no no no no

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Talal K
One of my big inspirations is how he shaves. Yeah, that intense shaving scene. that Ben Kingsley does.

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alexei sayle
Yeah, i' i mean i remember I mean, I remember there was a shaving scene. I can't remember what happened.

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Talal K
He's just like... rambling to himself in the mirror but he's he's using a straight razor

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alexei sayle
Yeah.

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alexei sayle
right

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Talal K
to shave his entire head.

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alexei sayle
All right

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Talal K
and Whenever I shave, I use a straight razor to do the details on my beard.

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alexei sayle
alright

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Talal K
And I'd often use a a normal safety razor on my head. like a you know like a

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alexei sayle
Right.

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Talal K
four-bladed

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alexei sayle
Yeah.

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Talal K
normal razor thing. But I... i push my luck so i use my safety rays and i just go higher and higher Doing the sides of the head is pretty easy. No, that's the straight razor.

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Talal K
I mean doing the sides of the head is pretty easy

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alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah

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Talal K
the top at the front is pretty easy but then once you get to the bits you can't fucking see

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alexei sayle
Yeah.

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Talal K
And you're literally holding an exposed blade to your scalp.

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alexei sayle
Bleh.

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Talal K
It gets really scary. And like just as I lose confidence, I switch over to the safety razor. but one day i want to do the whole head just with the safety with the straight razor and see if i don't how many times i cut

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alexei sayle
Get it yourself.

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Talal K
myself.

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alexei sayle
What's also brilliant about that is his clothes. I don't know whether that was he chose it or not. those kind of grey.

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alexei sayle
slacks and the white short sleeve shirt is uh brilliant it's just uh It's one of the best pieces of costuming i ah you know of a simple relatively simple costume I've ever seen, really.

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Talal K
Very simple.

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Talal K
Yeah. It's like... extremely ordinary for this unhinged deranged

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alexei sayle
Yeah, which was just nice to... It's like too neat and... It's...

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Talal K
Yeah, he's got this like OCD, hasn't he?

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alexei sayle
It's brilliant

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Talal K
sexy beast i haven't seen that in ages

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Talal K
it's been a long

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alexei sayle
It's a monster piece.

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Talal K
It is isn't it? Who made it?

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alexei sayle
Jonathan Glazer. We did. Turn of... interests.

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Talal K
Zone of interest. Oh same guy

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alexei sayle
Yeah, and under the skin.

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Talal K
Oh wow.

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alexei sayle
Yeah. it started out in advertising and

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Talal K
In all the, I'm looking at images of it in all the posters. um What's her name?

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alexei sayle
I'm Andy Redman.

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Talal K
Amanda Redmond's not... above the title in any of them ray winston bren ben kingsley ian mcshane but amanda redmond has

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alexei sayle
Ready?

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Talal K
as large a part as

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alexei sayle
Definitely, yeah, yeah.

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Talal K
as Ray and Ben.

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alexei sayle
Yeah.

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Talal K
But that's the industry for you, isn't it? they won't put a woman under and posting.

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alexei sayle
It is, although I would say Amanda Redman is not somebody to... had her light under a bushel. Whatever it is.

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Talal K
Exactly. It wouldn't have been her choice.

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alexei sayle
Under a bush. Should do it for a second.

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Talal K
When I was a kid I went to her drama school.

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alexei sayle
Alright.

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Talal K
uh on Saturdays. the kneeling Yeah. Artist Theatre School, ATS.

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Talal K
I've told you this story and they had Ray Winston. She had Ray Winston come in and do a masterclass for us.

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alexei sayle
I don't remember that.

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Talal K
And he taught us scum. We were acting out scenes from Scum.

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alexei sayle
All right

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Talal K
And it was my turn to play him. And it was this is like the scene when he first enters the... Borstal. prison and I was just walking around interacting with people and then he goes, stop, stop everything. Fuck's sake.

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Talal K
It was like the Gordon Ramsay of acting. He says, you, come here. Come here, you. Come in. He's like pointing at me. tell me to come over and he comes right up into my face he goes do you understand how scary this is You don't know if you're going to make it through today. These people.

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Talal K
They've done shit you wouldn't believe in. you know like you you These guys could fucking kill you with the... With a... click of their fingers you know You fucking...

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Talal K
Don't walk in there like you're like, do-do-do-do-do. You're having a walk in the park. And he starts like, he's like berating me. front of everyone. I'm just a little kid. And then my lip starts to quiver and my eyes start to well up.

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alexei sayle
e

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Talal K
And he goes, great. That's it. Now go. Action. that We had to do the scene again when I was like on the verge of tears.

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alexei sayle
ah Uh,

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Talal K
And and then as we did the scene and then he goes, that's it. That's how you fucking do it. Beautiful, beautiful. the Insane. Absolutely insane having Ray Winston fucking screaming on my face until I start to cry.

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alexei sayle
Yeah.

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Talal K
And then he yells action. That's how you make movies, mate. I bet someone might have done that to him on set.

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alexei sayle
Possibly.

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Talal K
That's how he learned this whole thing.

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alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.

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Talal K
And who's the daddy now?

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alexei sayle
Don't think you could get away with that these days.

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Talal K
Yeah. We're recording by the way.

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alexei sayle
Alright.

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Talal K
Yeah.

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alexei sayle
Let's get this party started.

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Talal K
m

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alexei sayle
Alright, everybody. Welcome to episode 136 of the Alexi Cell podcast and... we've got an action-packed episode for you of Thanks.

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alexei sayle
and So, um most important because my book was... released yesterday and it's sell him very well, which It's slightly blurry there.

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alexei sayle
Yeah, it's selling very well. So get your... Get by your copy before we're forced to reprint. um Yeah, it's amazing.

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Talal K
Congratulations!

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alexei sayle
ri Thank you. Thank you.

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Talal K
Alexi Sale, how I've tried to change the world by walking down the middle of the street shouting, if you didn't know by now. You've done the rounds. We talked about James O 'Brien last week.

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alexei sayle
I'm still... ah Mm hmm.

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Talal K
I finally got around to watching that.

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alexei sayle
Mm hmm.

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Talal K
You did a good job. You're very good.

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alexei sayle
Yeah.

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Talal K
And...

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alexei sayle
A slightly annoying interview in the eye, but then nobody reads the eye. but I haven't read it but the headline annoyed me.

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Talal K
The...

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Talal K
But the there's a clip Oh, I didn't.

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alexei sayle
about it.

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Talal K
i didn't know that i've never read the iso yeah uh

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alexei sayle
Now who does?

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Talal K
There's a clip. going around from the new statesman. You did an interview with them.

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alexei sayle
Yeah, with Olly Dugmore, yeah.

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Talal K
that's blowing up.

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alexei sayle
Is it?

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Talal K
people people love it they're using a

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alexei sayle
Oh cool.

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Talal K
quite a sensitive clip so they've clipped up A moment where you're you're basically... on the verge of tears yourself.

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alexei sayle
Mmm.

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Talal K
Talking about the protests.

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alexei sayle
But then, yeah.

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Talal K
the Palestine protests. and

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alexei sayle
I do, yeah.

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Talal K
and you're saying they're the best of people and

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alexei sayle
It always gets me.

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Talal K
That. That clip is blown up.

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alexei sayle
Oh cool.

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Talal K
massively.

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alexei sayle
Not good.

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Talal K
Yeah. and uh So that's done that.

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alexei sayle
Yeah, I've got a lot more podcasts.

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Talal K
The book's selling well.

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alexei sayle
Yeah, I've got a lot more to do. And it's you know it's very great. I mean, I think the world, of I'm saying yes to most. podcasts because It's very thrilling. I don't know if I've talked about this before, but it's a very thrilling thing to do, whereas before, you know, you had to go and...

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alexei sayle
Talk to Tanya and Tom on the morning show on Radio Stoke or whatever.

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Talal K
Hmm. Yeah.

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alexei sayle
So tell us about your book about Muslims. You can actually you know spend an hour. talking in depth about you know what what the book's about right and it's

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Talal K
Yeah, it's different landscape now, isn't it?

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alexei sayle
Yeah. a much better landscape in that way you don't have to do stupid interviews with the with the press, I mean.

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Talal K
It's funny that kind of... inversion because social media is still very much Short attention spans.

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alexei sayle
Mmm.

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Talal K
uh rule like you have to anything you're making for social media you have to consider that like get to the point as quick as you can the tactic now is to like play the end of the clip like the exciting bit

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alexei sayle
Right.

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Talal K
at at the beginning. and then cut to the beginning like you know look here's what's coming next you know so so to

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alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.

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Talal K
to grip people from the start. But in terms of the popularity of podcasting and long form YouTube videos. It's the opposite.

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alexei sayle
It's the reverse, yeah.

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Talal K
Yeah, people love a long... Drawn out. Slow podcast. And...

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alexei sayle
meaningless without this podcast is proof of that right

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Talal K
Yes.

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alexei sayle
Meaningless.

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Talal K
And meanwhile, like TV is like not sure which is always being pulled in both directions, isn't it?

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alexei sayle
Rambling.

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alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah. I noticed the replacements for... um the grand tour i think on amazon you know which is the kind of Top Gear clone, but it's like...

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alexei sayle
It's three white guys, one very... Posh, one from Canada and that um That YouTuber who blogs about... um Row engines.

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Talal K
Oh yes, yes, they've got him on it.

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alexei sayle
It doesn't seem... I mean, I suppose it might reflect the demographic of the show, but it seems, you know... I remember when they revamped... the Top gear. catastrophically really.

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alexei sayle
um because well um also say I mean, whatever you think about the people involved in Top Gear, I mean, Clarkson, there was a point when it was the greatest show on television, I think. Yeah, I may feel that.

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Talal K
Yeah. very creative.

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alexei sayle
The... yeah The... um The camera techniques were extraordinary. you know the

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Talal K
Hmm.

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alexei sayle
the The interaction between those three guys was fantastic.

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Talal K
is that It was a comedy stunt show, wasn't it?

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alexei sayle
And, you know. kind of, yeah Yeah.

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Talal K
Really? Yeah.

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alexei sayle
And it was brilliant, you know, and then and then it... you know. bit soured very badly you know but then when they replaced it with matt leblanc and i think with Chris Evans I mean it was so bad

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Talal K
Was it?

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alexei sayle
So fucking bad. But the only decent guy was the black guy and they fired him.

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Talal K
Isn't Matt LeBlanc effortlessly charming though? He's like a nice...

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alexei sayle
Not in that. it was just It was all fake, I thought, in in that.

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Talal K
right

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alexei sayle
in Top Gear really, it was just... You know. It didn't work at all. I mean, obviously it was fake with... You know, James Mann. um, now Hammond and um jeremy but if they they they they were brilliant at giving the impression that it wasn't.

00:10:27.00
alexei sayle
fabricated, you know. Um, Oh, shit.

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Talal K
I worked when I worked at the BBC. uh i was moved around a lot around the bbc and But... uh when it was it there was that when i was at watchdog or one show no it must have been watchdog The office next door was the Top Gear offices.

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alexei sayle
Right.

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Talal K
And it did feel like. They were like the cool students that you you know, they're boisterous lads in there

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alexei sayle
Yeah.

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Talal K
No, you don't go in there, you're gonna get... Jelly. dumped on your head or something you know And they had this. life-size cardboard cut out of the steak. up against the window and if you're driving along the A40 through White City you'd always see the Stig if you if you knew where to look you'd see the Stig looking down at you there.

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alexei sayle
Alright.

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Talal K
um But yeah, it was always a raucous energy coming out of that room.

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alexei sayle
Yeah.

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Talal K
That was back when it was you know in its peak

00:11:23.86
alexei sayle
Yeah, why did we get onto that? Oh, we were just talking about... TV. Yes, well, it was.

00:11:29.10
Talal K
Yes, attention spans.

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alexei sayle
It was it was amazing. and you know you know, everything about it was objectionable in many ways. as a lefty, but nevertheless, you have to acknowledge it was. Sublime.

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alexei sayle
in it.

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Talal K
I bless Francis Bourgeois.

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alexei sayle
at the time.

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Talal K
He's the train guy from Instagram.

00:11:46.61
alexei sayle
Right.

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Talal K
and he went viral you know over the last few years and now he's got tv gear good for him

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alexei sayle
Mmm.

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Talal K
Bless him. But the whole gimmick. that he is he's got I believe autism but... it could be asperger's or somebody's you know.

00:11:59.41
alexei sayle
Yeah.

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Talal K
And that's... lean leans towards his fixation on trains and all that. But when he gets excited, he's got this giggle And that's what makes his videos popular is that they always end up with him doing this high shrieking kind of like Banshee level.

00:12:09.79
alexei sayle
Right.

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Talal K
not shriek but a giggle like yeah like insane um sorry i could have used a better word there but um if that's gonna be the pull of the tv show Because it can be really grating and annoying in a one minute video clip.

00:12:29.22
alexei sayle
Yeah.

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Talal K
And you know it's going to end with that laugh. Great, but if it's a half-hour TV show...

00:12:37.06
alexei sayle
Yeah.

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Talal K
just filled with him doing that. Shrieking giggle.

00:12:40.36
alexei sayle
Mmm, yeah.

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Talal K
I wonder how tolerable that would be.

00:12:41.15
alexei sayle
We'll see. Anyways.

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alexei sayle
Anywho, so, um yeah, the book seems to be going great.

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Talal K
Any poos.

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alexei sayle
i Edge and beg and... For you to buy it Um... And I hope, it you know, I've you knowve got these live gigs. most of which are sold out, um and but I'm doing...

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alexei sayle
book festivals up and down the country.

00:13:04.29
Talal K
Mm hmm.

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alexei sayle
and I guess we'll slot more of those in, and I hope they're in. you know. It's not just like... Answering questions about... um you know, the young ones or whatever, that it's...

00:13:19.41
alexei sayle
take you know it it somehow adds to the The political. discourse that adds to the conversation really because you know it's it's a book which is about the past but it's also about the present and um you know I hope they do.

00:13:36.25
alexei sayle
You know, I hope that that theyre both in the interviews I do and the... um Questions after that. that you know i have to remind myself really because it's very easy for me to forget where i am really and just you know talk about show business or whatever so i need to remind myself to talk about

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Talal K
think get

00:13:57.45
alexei sayle
All right. Um... You know.

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Talal K
Well I've only had it a couple days and I'm enjoying it so far.

00:14:02.55
alexei sayle
Mmm.

00:14:03.68
Talal K
You're interrupting the reading of another book I'm in. i'm on the fourth chronicle of the brother cad file chronicles so I have to share my time between that and this book.

00:14:13.42
Talal K
I'm gonna take this book on holiday with me next week.

00:14:16.07
alexei sayle
Crud.

00:14:17.56
Talal K
And when I come back from holiday, I'll have a lot of questions for you Hopefully I'm going to take my highlighter with me on holiday.

00:14:23.55
alexei sayle
Oh, God.

00:14:24.39
Talal K
i love it but it's if I think it's going to be a... A book that stands the test of time because it's so it's a chronicle in itself of of history.

00:14:32.42
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:14:33.34
Talal K
of these little words ah picture frames through through history. and picture frames but i do have on page seven i have a problem with something there's a

00:14:41.93
alexei sayle
I know what you mean. Yeah.

00:14:46.50
Talal K
Seems to be an eyelash or a nostril hair embedded in the paper.

00:14:50.35
alexei sayle
Really?

00:14:50.99
Talal K
on page seven just above the final paragraph I know.

00:14:54.98
alexei sayle
Let's see, Gotsoma. my DNA.

00:14:58.18
Talal K
I wonder if that's unique to this book or if it was caught in the photocopier or something and every book has it.

00:15:02.31
alexei sayle
Oh, God. I don't know.

00:15:04.89
Talal K
But it's a I keep trying to scratch it off and it's really

00:15:05.26
alexei sayle
Oh.

00:15:07.95
alexei sayle
I'll show you.

00:15:07.98
Talal K
frustrating.

00:15:08.92
alexei sayle
I'm sorry.

00:15:10.82
Talal K
So...

00:15:11.05
alexei sayle
I shall eat.

00:15:11.79
Talal K
and i paid for a signed

00:15:13.21
alexei sayle
Yeah, you bought a pay for a silent copy.

00:15:13.32
Talal K
Okay. What? it i didn't It wasn't signed. This is the second time that's happened to me.

00:15:19.13
alexei sayle
I can sign it for you, obviously.

00:15:21.60
Talal K
Oh. Salute.

00:15:21.91
alexei sayle
That's weird.

00:15:22.81
Talal K
Yeah, rip off.

00:15:23.47
alexei sayle
Good science. I signed 1500, yeah.

00:15:24.63
Talal K
So that's my review. It's a nostril head unsigned ripoff

00:15:30.17
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:15:31.20
Talal K
Thanks, Alexei.

00:15:31.26
alexei sayle
Yeah. But we were talking yesterday when we had we had lunch, just had a bit of lunch.

00:15:37.61
Talal K
Not me and you.

00:15:38.04
alexei sayle
Yep. Eh?

00:15:39.80
Talal K
Not you and me, lunch.

00:15:41.23
alexei sayle
No, not you and me. Some other people. You're more important, not more important.

00:15:46.11
Talal K
just want to let the listeners in you know

00:15:48.30
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:15:49.46
Talal K
Yes, you were talking.

00:15:50.26
alexei sayle
and uh we were just talking about possibly you know with the paperback doing an updated you know making it a kind of i'm not necessarily but making it a living thing you know which kind of expands us Times change because we are.

00:16:01.90
Talal K
Ah.

00:16:04.74
alexei sayle
I mean, it's one of the things I should, I mean, I... When I do, I mean. So this is yeah this is yeah where I am doing this podcast from. Hoban and St. Pancras is the center of the world at the moment. and um

00:16:17.38
Talal K
Yes sweet

00:16:18.25
alexei sayle
Our MP, I was going to... go through my i complain about my bins but uh My MP has said he's no longer... Keir Starmer is no longer... going to be an MP and you you hear some of the encomiums to him on the when he resigned earlier. But I just, and I must...

00:16:36.76
alexei sayle
remember to say this when i do media and stuff it's just just to reiterate really regardless i mean just what a vile human being he was really just what a terrible terrible person he is really i mean even outside the confines of his politics. Just that.

00:16:57.44
alexei sayle
You know, remember, you know, the most. unpopular. Prime Minister of all time. and nearly the The encomiums, the commentary from the...

00:17:08.31
alexei sayle
political customers glossed over that also the most corrupt you know the man who took more freebies than all prime ministers combined.

00:17:17.56
Talal K
No.

00:17:18.61
alexei sayle
Yeah, you look it up. you know the designer glasses and the taylor swift tickets and i mean a man who was so partial to a freebie to a bong you know extraordinary even in our corrupted politics i mean and just ah i mean the viciousness of that of that entire era Um,

00:17:42.52
alexei sayle
of his rule of the Labour Party, the cruelty of... There was a friend of ours... za I can't remember this. Jewish woman had been in the Labour Party for 40 years. It was... Got the letter expelling her from the Labour Party for anti-Semitism on her deathbed. I mean, that was...

00:18:01.20
Talal K
Jesus.

00:18:01.48
alexei sayle
was very typical, I think, of... of I mean, and i mean so and some of those shits have got, I mean, Steve. or just ah Steve, yeah, Steve Reed. Did you call Steve Reed the housing minister? Just the... also a terrible terrible person but Um,

00:18:19.09
alexei sayle
yeah I mean, it's it's hard to overstate how unpleasant those people are. His faction are in the Labour Party and saying in and St. Patrick's. Remain, really, the people who are.

00:18:31.54
alexei sayle
who made Starmer in their image and in whose... image Starmer was. remain really. So, I mean, Uh, Zach. I mean, it's not that...

00:18:43.19
alexei sayle
I don't. I mean, what would have been great, I think, here is if... Andrew Feinstein, who... Have. Starmer's majority.

00:18:52.57
Talal K
Yes. Starmer was unpopular before he was even an MP.

00:18:55.77
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah. It's the first time ever that an MP, and Prime Minister, had been elected and the majority hadn't gone up. And Andrew did such a great job of standing against him. and he's ah I think it would have been interesting if Andrew had joined the Greens.

00:19:11.27
alexei sayle
And, you know, but there's this organisation in Camden that I'm a member of called, I think I'm a member anyway, Camden People's Alliance, which was a, I think initially was going to be a... Thought it was going to be kind of the Camden branch of your party, but then that didn't happen.

00:19:25.06
Talal K
Yes.

00:19:25.73
alexei sayle
but really he's got some really interesting ideas but andrew is is not going to stand really Zach Polanski is, isn't he?

00:19:32.62
Talal K
is I was going to ask you, yeah.

00:19:34.11
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:19:34.86
Talal K
as And Zach Polanski has announced he will.

00:19:37.96
alexei sayle
Yeah, and I will...

00:19:38.48
Talal K
Which would be an embarrassment for Labour, wouldn't it, if if the Greens took his seat?

00:19:43.71
alexei sayle
I think it would be very, very difficult for him. I mean, I wouldn't have... advised i mean he's i saw him just looking at him on our own jones's podcast and um He's saying, well, you know, it'll... give us a chance to articulate our ideas even if i didn't win i hope it doesn't it's He's taking a chance, really.

00:20:03.58
Talal K
Hmm.

00:20:03.52
alexei sayle
I think the Labour Party... as a brand is very embedded here. And it'll be very difficult. I will, as ah as a resident, I will be happy. I'm stating here, I'll be happy to.

00:20:18.02
alexei sayle
campaign for him to lend even though i'm not in the greens but i will um happy to um

00:20:22.04
Talal K
Oh. What if...

00:20:24.52
alexei sayle
Lend my voice as a local resident.

00:20:27.78
Talal K
If Feinstein... Half this majority. Uh... Keir Starmer's in the last election. and Let's...

00:20:40.42
Talal K
you know If Polanski took all of those votes...

00:20:43.18
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:20:44.35
Talal K
And then he has, and then he. cashed in on his growing popularity over the last few years and You know gained some more votes than Feinstein did

00:20:55.28
alexei sayle
Mm hmm.

00:20:56.88
Talal K
he's He's got it's not like we're not ruling it out. He's got his chances, isn't he?

00:20:59.93
alexei sayle
No, no, he's got a chance, but I just think it'll be very, very difficult, really. And some of that vote was a vote against Keir Starmer. A lot of people could see from the off.

00:21:10.27
Talal K
Yeah.

00:21:10.26
alexei sayle
Just what ah an awful person Starmer was. so So. some of those wordss are a personal rejection of him and i don't know they're talking about I think. um

00:21:23.08
alexei sayle
ah possibly the frontrunner at the moment, is leader of Camden Council, who I think is a Somali child refugee. Linda had had quite a lot to do with it, so she is also...

00:21:30.24
Talal K
Yes.

00:21:33.05
Talal K
Sagal Abdiwali

00:21:34.72
alexei sayle
Yeah. She's ah very much in.

00:21:35.63
Talal K
is who... A favourite to represent Labour in the by-election.

00:21:40.41
alexei sayle
And you sort of think, oh, she must be all right. But Linda says she's all right. I mean, she's a... Shabana Mahmood, she's one of those really. ah You know, one of those. hair immigrant background does not.

00:21:51.93
alexei sayle
softened her. um that she's very right-wing kind of You know, I write in the book about the awfulness of people in... The right-wingers in Camden Labour Party and my interactions with them. just Just on a personal level. just shockingly gruesome individuals they are.

00:22:12.94
alexei sayle
um So yeah. it's a shame in a way i think that andrew couldn't stand and it would be less of a shock when he you know if he didn't win But we are where we are. And, um you know, I wish, obviously, i I would like Zach to be my...

00:22:28.71
alexei sayle
MP and I hope he

00:22:29.41
Talal K
That would be nice, wouldn't it?

00:22:30.68
alexei sayle
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a bit early in the bit. I mean... um you know i mean i've been using this phrase about Ben, you know. when i'm ah i'm cautiously pessimistic really i think you know the venom is going to be Really? revealed as a...

00:22:48.03
alexei sayle
A busted flush, really. regardless of obviously he's not as... Oh, full of pain. I'm even being a storm, but um... He's in hock to the same forces. And mommbbi out George Monbiot, a very good piece in The Guardian, I think earlier this week about... um how you know he's already caved in on ah You know. putting a cap on political donation um on but donations to political parties that which was set at a ridiculously high

00:23:17.51
alexei sayle
half a million anyway but he yeah he won't even do that and that is clearly the result of the efforts of lobbyists for rich people and again if he caves on that he's He's going to cave on everything else in this. You know, he's not going to nationalise.

00:23:35.12
alexei sayle
Yeah, water. rail and stuff but it's just going to have greater oversight which is just more committees that you know it's just replicating the system we have now really that there's a there are you know what you get with the media and you get with the utilities these Feeble.

00:23:52.72
alexei sayle
committees of um compliance monkeys people who who specialize in sitting on the boards of these things Who? you know. will fail to.

00:24:04.69
alexei sayle
in any way improve. what they are overseeing really. So, ah you know, but it's, I mean. The the reality of Ben and...

00:24:15.81
alexei sayle
It's going to take a while for that to, do you know, for disappointment. to um to land so i think that ah um It's a bit early in the cycle for Zach to succeed as well. But, you know.

00:24:30.09
alexei sayle
as we wish him We wish him well and I'll be out there.

00:24:34.34
Talal K
well let's see it's not been announced yet

00:24:34.59
alexei sayle
I don't know, he might not want me, but my with my weird... Weird things I say, you know.

00:24:38.13
Talal K
ah

00:24:40.66
alexei sayle
confusing people at meetings by saying weird stuff um But I, you know. as so as a resident As a resident of Holborn and St Pancras, I... I welcome his challenge.

00:24:53.55
Talal K
It's nice to hear you still have the... the will and energy to campaign for anything politically. after all the fucking letdowns and

00:24:59.69
alexei sayle
Well, you know, I think the green I mean the The greens are the best shot we've got. at the moment really.

00:25:05.26
Talal K
Compliance monkeys. Um, Andy Burnham has not is going ahead with all these like new oil drilling plans and everything which is not a good sign

00:25:15.29
alexei sayle
He hasn't said for certain that he will, but...

00:25:18.85
Talal K
Um,

00:25:18.83
alexei sayle
That's the rumor.

00:25:19.93
Talal K
Well, i was I was watching something about... argentina this morning about the maldives and how the argentinian president wants to

00:25:25.76
alexei sayle
Not the Maldives, the Malvinas.

00:25:28.49
Talal K
Malvinas, excuse me.

00:25:28.93
alexei sayle
Malbinas or the Falkland Islands, London, Londonderry.

00:25:30.01
Talal K
He wants to Fucking. Yeah. So that's why I got mixed up.

00:25:33.54
alexei sayle
Well.

00:25:34.44
Talal K
Yeah.

00:25:35.13
alexei sayle
but we need to talk about that.

00:25:34.97
Talal K
ill The Falkland Islands. Maldives. Jesus. He wants to reclaim or claim.

00:25:43.97
alexei sayle
Yeah, ah there's somebody I mean, that's to do with domestic politics, really.

00:25:44.11
Talal K
The.

00:25:47.29
alexei sayle
That's always been a... I mean, Malay is a...

00:25:48.72
Talal K
but in that.

00:25:51.07
alexei sayle
There's another...

00:25:51.16
Talal K
nestled in that story was the fact that

00:25:52.33
alexei sayle
Terrible individual.

00:25:54.98
Talal K
Um, two big oil companies are on the verge of finding new oil in the region. one of them being British and the other being Israeli. And they're working hand in hand.

00:26:06.95
Talal K
So that's like...

00:26:07.28
alexei sayle
Right.

00:26:07.97
Talal K
That's big money and that's... Israel and Britain.

00:26:11.22
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:26:12.17
Talal K
billionaires working together.

00:26:14.42
alexei sayle
Indeed.

00:26:15.26
Talal K
which is It just struck me.

00:26:17.31
alexei sayle
The story of... fair The story of the 2020s, yes. I mean, i think I think there's a lot of stories that, I mean... that Malay because he is fanatically pro israel that they've been selling off lots but parts of Patagonia to Israelis.

00:26:33.49
alexei sayle
I mean, I think Israelis are. Realizing that Israel itself is a... not the best place to be a kind of fanning out across the world aren't they they're buying up large parts of

00:26:41.75
Talal K
Hmm.

00:26:44.43
alexei sayle
Cyprus and also large parts of

00:26:48.70
Talal K
Is that the

00:26:49.47
alexei sayle
Argentina and then they're starting forest fires I think as as I have seen to clear the land i guess

00:26:57.60
Talal K
But he did. the Argentinian president. Malay. Did say if they continue looking for digging If they continue.

00:27:09.57
Talal K
Digging for oil. Here's your put. Sanctions on Israel and Britain.

00:27:16.55
alexei sayle
I really, I can't, well, I'd be surprised if he sanctioned Israel. and say women but i don't know what he can do.

00:27:20.60
Talal K
that's yes i'm confused about that because you'd imagine whoever owned the Maldives Falklands.

00:27:26.91
alexei sayle
Elvina.

00:27:28.21
Talal K
Um... He'll let Israel. that Israel would be free to drill there either way. As long as whichever government get a... And I'd always assumed that.

00:27:39.23
Talal K
Which it is, that Falklands is ah just a British colony, but I also learnt today that... Britain occupied. Falklands before Argentina even was a country.

00:27:50.56
alexei sayle
Yes, i mean one doesn't I mean, there's probably another. I don't know. I'd be interested in hearing from the listeners, really. there there is another argument really but it is one of those The...

00:28:01.02
alexei sayle
I don't think there was an and an indigenous population on the Falkland Islands of Malvinas before. British. settlers arrive but the indigenous so they i mean the indigenous population of the falklands are

00:28:09.76
Talal K
ah

00:28:14.42
alexei sayle
of British, you know, descendants of British people who want to stay British. And that, it seems, I mean, that was, ah it was always a kind of... I mean, it was a very... It was a confusing time.

00:28:28.11
alexei sayle
To be on the left, and and i mean ah luckily I was in Australia when... um the the The Argentinians invaded. Um,

00:28:39.72
alexei sayle
The Falkland Islands. And so would. wasn't you know because there was i think this upsurge of patriotism and then we sent this task force and they did just about nicely Take it back from the Argentinians.

00:28:54.72
alexei sayle
despite you know many acts of extraordinary military incompetence. and But, um... Uh... um it was ah It was a kind of complicated... um challenge for a leftist really because the left tended I mean, it seemed to me in a way and again you know i welcome commentary on this but it seemed to me because it was Thatcher, but it seemed to me that the... the population of Falkendans wanted to reign British and therefore...

00:29:24.84
alexei sayle
Uh... the British effort to repel A fascist invasion because the the government of Argentina... tina at that time the gal uh the galtieri government was.

00:29:39.10
alexei sayle
fascist and the the the british task force led to the fall of the fascist government in argentina you know but i can killed tens of thousands of leftists.

00:29:51.30
Talal K
right

00:29:51.32
alexei sayle
Armed by Israel, of course. um That, uh... that uh that it seemed perfectly valid really but the left it really threw the left into a tizzy. And I remember it was Michael Foote.

00:30:04.99
alexei sayle
who was leader of the Labour Party in those days. i mean there um ah somebody i always kind of despised really a kind of ridiculous kind of Bye. Bye. Bye. of Brahmin kind of labor labor aristocracy, you know.

00:30:21.77
alexei sayle
um But he said that, yes, he'd form a task force. I mean, my friend Oscar goes on about this. He would form a task force, but then he wouldn't use it. or some nonsense. But it seemed to me that the...

00:30:34.38
alexei sayle
in yeah In the narrow.

00:30:38.71
alexei sayle
That a it was written Again, i'm I'm open to being...

00:30:44.29
Talal K
in case of an invasion break break glass

00:30:45.38
alexei sayle
Yeah, I've been challenged on this. but That it did seem. It was Thatcher and we hated Thatcher and it was militaristic and we hate militarism.

00:30:54.09
Talal K
Ha ha.

00:30:55.48
alexei sayle
but it was a, it was a. it was a attack i've never said any of this before already but it was a

00:31:04.31
alexei sayle
It was an effort. Two. confront. ah fascist. Dictatorship. You're done with the most. base of motives but nevertheless It was kind of the right thing to do what Thatcher did.

00:31:20.31
alexei sayle
I may get myself in a lot of trouble with lefties for that, but it seemed...

00:31:20.41
Talal K
Interesting.

00:31:23.56
Talal K
Alexis Sale agrees with Thatcher.

00:31:25.92
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:31:26.93
Talal K
Interesting. interesting Never before seen It was uninhabited before the Brits.

00:31:35.61
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:31:36.86
Talal K
But I guess Spain and Portugal were... had the majority of the mainland south american britain has just said we've got this bit Please.

00:31:45.61
alexei sayle
yeah it was for coal in my it was for ship steamships going across the atlantic i think was the reason too

00:31:49.98
Talal K
All right, little stop. gap.

00:31:51.69
alexei sayle
I think.

00:31:53.34
Talal K
But ah it's all fucking colonies, isn't it? South America. especially ah especially Argentina

00:31:58.45
alexei sayle
Well, they threw off the, you know, I mean... They threw off the ah The yoke of Spanish.

00:32:07.40
alexei sayle
colonialism. in Argentina. Portuguese colonialism in Brazil they are. Whatever you think of them, they are sort of independent nations. yeah I mean, I don't know much about them.

00:32:18.65
alexei sayle
The Bolivarist. revolutions in across the across this South and Central America. I should know more, really. I apologize.

00:32:34.74
Talal K
It is wild to me that even that that country's gonna be so far spread like even the idea of jerseys is weird to me that why do we have jersey and it's over in france man french polynesia is is on the other literally on the other side of the globe from France.

00:32:51.31
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:32:53.24
Talal K
Um, i think that's independent now but it was france

00:32:57.24
alexei sayle
Yeah, well, they yeah they actually, they're colonies, are they? They're actually part of France. They have the same, I don't know whether their clocks are set to the same time as France, but they have the same educational system.

00:33:02.31
Talal K
Yep. It is.

00:33:06.35
alexei sayle
and that you know if you're you can be the the the head policeman is Part of the French, please.

00:33:12.48
Talal K
that's crazy It's 2 a .m. now. Time for school, kids.

00:33:15.39
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:33:18.43
Talal K
Madness. You need a global Unshackling. uh although you know like yeah some people love it They they might love being France over there.

00:33:28.83
alexei sayle
That's probably something to do, yeah. I don't know.

00:33:32.80
Talal K
fucking wild i'd love to go to tahiti though It looks beautiful. Have you been?

00:33:39.93
alexei sayle
Yeah, we had this conversation. I had to lay it a couple of days.

00:33:41.49
Talal K
We have.

00:33:42.82
alexei sayle
that I didn't. I failed to. I was on my way to New Zealand. and

00:33:47.32
Talal K
Oh yeah, I don't think you saw the good bit.

00:33:47.91
alexei sayle
Fail two.

00:33:48.97
Talal K
I don't think you saw the good bit.

00:33:50.87
alexei sayle
No, I failed to take any of it in, really. I think I just stayed in the hotel and had jet lag. ah So I failed to enjoy.

00:33:57.34
Talal K
It's...

00:33:59.08
alexei sayle
And then we went we stopped off at the Cook Islands. We stopped off near the Rarotonga. And I failed to enjoy that as well, really.

00:34:07.70
Talal K
It is most certainly. Stunning. place.

00:34:14.97
Talal K
Think they farm pearls over there as well

00:34:18.56
alexei sayle
Integrity.

00:34:18.71
Talal K
and Yeah. French Polynesia. ah Okay. Fucking... expose a on reform as well It's a bit heavy. few days in the news

00:34:32.94
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:34:34.68
Talal K
Uh...

00:34:34.80
alexei sayle
It's funny how the power seems to have tired of reform, you know, whatever they wanted them to do. they I suppose that's not fair, but I i vaguely, just out of the corner of my eye, was watching the expose of.

00:34:47.15
alexei sayle
on channel 4 news last night i don't know yet I mean...

00:34:51.96
Talal K
So this undercover Oh go on.

00:34:52.44
alexei sayle
reform our No, just the reformer awful right wing you know so i suppose

00:34:57.52
Talal K
Certainly.

00:35:00.34
alexei sayle
anything that puts a dent in them is

00:35:04.61
Talal K
and there's so many

00:35:04.64
alexei sayle
a good thing

00:35:07.74
Talal K
billionaires are interested in reform. and

00:35:10.42
alexei sayle
Yeah. Well, it's like Donald Trump in the States, isn't it?

00:35:15.16
Talal K
And that's certainly what Faraj has is. Ambition. set to is like trump levels of of success, but uh Yeah, verbatim this undercover.

00:35:30.46
Talal K
ah journalists. a collection of UNCOV journalists. did an incredible job like this guy should get a Olivia award or an Oscar for his his acting.

00:35:42.41
alexei sayle
Be a BAFTA.

00:35:44.38
Talal K
a BAFTA Is it a jafter for journalism? um He...

00:35:51.77
Talal K
embedded himself as in the kind of circles of reform as a rich. A rich man who has an American dad and wants to help reform and so through devious methods they find ways of taking his money, so...

00:36:08.38
Talal K
seemingly legally, but Technically not.

00:36:12.84
alexei sayle
The Excel rules are pretty slack here, aren't they?

00:36:15.87
Talal K
Well, you see the reform advisers bragging to him how the electoral commission are. shit at their job.

00:36:24.49
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:36:24.46
Talal K
and how they can get away with anything basically saying it so so

00:36:27.12
alexei sayle
That's very true, yeah, and they certainly weren't.

00:36:28.92
Talal K
blatantly.

00:36:29.85
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:36:31.05
Talal K
I know, and and and I'm watching it thinking they're right. because it takes the journalists. Two. to... create some to expose these crimes.

00:36:42.18
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:36:43.13
Talal K
The fucking Electoral Commission won't do it.

00:36:45.69
alexei sayle
no and that goes in i mean again speaks to what i was saying before about these Oversight yeah that you're gonna have over utilities and uh you know great and they will do oh you know the police you you get all the meat the press you know it's the same That.

00:37:01.26
alexei sayle
uselessness is replicated, and it's deliberate, I think. You know, the Charity Commission is another one, really, who allows...

00:37:05.97
Talal K
Hmm.

00:37:08.63
alexei sayle
allows Jewish charities to, you know... Pay for therapy for IDF soldiers to help them get over there Their acts of genocide and, you know, all kinds of outrageous and...

00:37:18.33
Talal K
Yes. Yes.

00:37:24.03
alexei sayle
fails to, you know. will will launch an investigation but fails to. Or UK Lawyers for Israel that I think is a charity. um Yeah, and you've seen that replicated with the Electoral Commission, I think.

00:37:38.93
Talal K
So this you know wonderfully handsome and charming and posh. Uh... man spends the best part of the year embedding himself as a friend of reform and Finding...

00:37:50.64
Talal K
dodgy ways to help them because they can't technically take his dad's money So he's posing as dad as this rich American in Wyoming.

00:37:57.84
alexei sayle
Right.

00:37:59.70
Talal K
but his dad really wants to help. So they rather than take his money directly, they... They allow the dad to pay for... polls that help the reform reputation, you know, polls about...

00:38:16.44
Talal K
labor trying to cancel by elections and and things like that and

00:38:19.10
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:38:20.58
Talal K
So rather than taking his money, they get him to pay for services that reform want done.

00:38:24.05
alexei sayle
Right, right, right

00:38:25.41
Talal K
and but then in the end they get a verbal agreement from Farage that they will actually take his money Via the Sun you know the dad will drop the money in the son's account and the son has a british passport so the son can then give the money over and faraj agrees for it agrees to that on screen

00:38:35.09
alexei sayle
Right.

00:38:38.16
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:38:43.09
Talal K
so far he's dodging stuff he's fired the two advisors that are

00:38:47.02
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:38:47.100
Talal K
that are blatantly taking...

00:38:48.13
alexei sayle
They're coming out swinging now, looking at them in the morning. They're not.

00:38:51.37
Talal K
Yeah.

00:38:51.26
alexei sayle
Yeah, there.

00:38:52.80
Talal K
Oh they are.

00:38:53.12
alexei sayle
then They're defending themselves, I feel like. have a chance of getting away with this i think

00:38:56.92
Talal K
But... I wondered, I was gonna ask you ethically how... much you would agree with the methods used by these journalists because it reminded me of the spy cops ah techniques you know like the next step would be like he married Farage's daughter and had a kid with her or something you know Spent years as a reformer.

00:39:14.06
alexei sayle
ah

00:39:20.72
Talal K
um

00:39:21.50
alexei sayle
No, I think it's perfect

00:39:21.60
Talal K
because it is there is it is verging on entrapment because they are I don't want to take reform side. that it's a converse it's not all like his direct idea he does ask them how can i help you i want to help you and they suggest these ideas

00:39:29.54
alexei sayle
No.

00:39:34.88
alexei sayle
Right.

00:39:38.47
Talal K
And then... uh but you know if he wasn't there it wouldn't have happened but it would have been someone else if it wasn't him right They did say they'd done it before with other people, with other Americans' children.

00:39:49.87
alexei sayle
Right. Yeah, no, it seems perfectly valid.

00:39:51.01
Talal K
Is it ethical the way they're doing it? Do you reckon?

00:39:53.09
alexei sayle
Yeah, I think so

00:39:56.74
alexei sayle
It didn't get nearly enough coverage because it was a brilliant picture. Al Jazeera years ago when there were... examining Israeli influence on British politics they filmed.

00:40:08.47
alexei sayle
You know members of labor friends of Israel meeting with this Israeli. Diplomat called Shy Massot. and offering them a million pounds and talking about...

00:40:17.89
Talal K
How did they survive that?

00:40:19.88
alexei sayle
launching and of course they did you know we mean shine matter went back to Israel, but I mean nobody, you know, no, no, no. no action was taken essentially and that That film and the it's it's kind of...

00:40:34.38
alexei sayle
its American US version was actually pulled from, it was kind of... be shown. I guess on Al Jazeera and... It wasn't shown because of the actions of...

00:40:45.42
Talal K
Yeah.

00:40:46.76
alexei sayle
the US government. um so i mean certainly i approve of that and i think i probably approve of

00:40:56.67
alexei sayle
I approve this.

00:40:56.71
Talal K
Yeah

00:40:58.15
alexei sayle
two.

00:40:58.57
Talal K
Well, yeah, the big difference is the The people who have been. Targeted they are evil deceiving.

00:41:06.38
alexei sayle
Yes.

00:41:07.63
Talal K
the you know, deceiving, deceitful. Horrible cunts and criminals.

00:41:13.02
alexei sayle
Yep.

00:41:12.93
Talal K
Whereas when spy cops are just you know doing it to...

00:41:17.38
alexei sayle
I don't know about criminals, you might want to take that out.

00:41:17.13
Talal K
activists.

00:41:19.74
alexei sayle
the end.

00:41:21.01
Talal K
Who? Reform?

00:41:21.75
alexei sayle
Broadcast version, yeah.

00:41:23.28
Talal K
Okay. Take it back. I'm not going to edit it out but I... keeping me saying i take it back how is that all right

00:41:31.37
alexei sayle
Probably not, I just had to sit out about it.

00:41:35.89
Talal K
Okay, I guess the the difference is... who the who the target is because they are a bad

00:41:42.13
alexei sayle
Yes they are. I mean I'm a bit... um

00:41:43.84
Talal K
ah terrible people whereas these left-wing activists didn't deserve the

00:41:49.41
alexei sayle
No.

00:41:49.47
Talal K
what the spy cops did to them, yeah.

00:41:51.24
alexei sayle
Oh God, no.

00:41:52.28
Talal K
Yeah.

00:41:53.23
alexei sayle
The spike ops are different because that's the state as well. No, it's completely different. So I wasn't really focusing on your... analogy no spy cops is completely different because it's it's state-run It's state repression. I mean, they...

00:42:06.72
alexei sayle
The verbatim people. Like... well like like al jazeera are you know ah the media and that's the it's one of the pillars of you know Popper.

00:42:17.89
alexei sayle
posited that are ah are...

00:42:24.02
alexei sayle
Our freedom, our democracy. It's the three pillars. I can't remember what the other, you know, independent judiciary.

00:42:30.81
Talal K
Mm hmm.

00:42:31.37
alexei sayle
A vigilant media. And one other thing. but i think all of them are pretty traduced by now so i mean anything that bites back against forces of autocracy is is to be welcomed really whereas with spy cops it's the state

00:42:47.82
Talal K
Absolutely.

00:42:50.97
alexei sayle
um It's the state. Targeting people. I mean, perfectly legal, usually, but i'm certainly harmless. individuals while you know the way fascists out there you know the spy cops targeted the left really and you know people who are more than anything else you know i mean starmer was the same i mean The...

00:43:12.64
alexei sayle
Palestine Action Crackdown was presaged by a tremendous crackdown on environmental protest.

00:43:20.48
Talal K
Mm hmm.

00:43:21.30
alexei sayle
just stop oil and these are people who are trying to Somehow a vet. Yeah, the end, you know, the a catastrophic event.

00:43:30.26
Talal K
Yeah, they're doing more than...

00:43:30.41
alexei sayle
on here.

00:43:31.41
Talal K
walking down the middle of the street shouting

00:43:33.29
alexei sayle
They are, they're taking direct action and that's... That's very much what, that's another, you know, violent, you know, Star Wars. I hated that and really was very. Autocratic, I think, I'm very keen to crack down on.

00:43:46.24
alexei sayle
any kind of direct action. um And, you know, that will be the undoing of Burnham as well, if he does nothing to... Roll back on.

00:43:57.72
alexei sayle
the crackdown on palestine action he will be revealed as just another Agent of... The... Darkening. You know, the dog's going to duck in.

00:44:09.12
alexei sayle
Autocracy. just that some another person is in. Och to the Israel I'll be and. The arms industry.

00:44:19.29
Talal K
before i get any hate in the fucking youtube comments obviously i agree that they're verbatim are not like the spy cops it was just a

00:44:26.59
alexei sayle
You're just paying devil's avocado.

00:44:28.66
Talal K
yeah Yeah, exactly had the car i'm just a creating conversation it was a

00:44:32.96
alexei sayle
Mmm.

00:44:33.55
Talal K
thing that came to mind. I can't find this third pillar. journalists

00:44:39.39
alexei sayle
Karl Popper. said we Look up Popper.

00:44:42.21
Talal K
Like the guy who had the penguins.

00:44:44.58
alexei sayle
Now, Papa was a philosopher at the same time. There's a famous incident. We're... um Wittgenstein threatened Popper in Cambridge.

00:44:55.11
alexei sayle
with a poker. and my friend's dad.

00:44:57.89
Talal K
Hmm. Hmm.

00:44:59.64
alexei sayle
A philosopher who is a disciple of rit and Wittgenstein called Wafsi Hijab, Palestinian. mathematician and philosopher he was the one who handed Wickenstein the poker.

00:45:13.06
alexei sayle
It's a famous. it's famous it's a famous bone and what term do we use you know when like

00:45:15.32
Talal K
The fuck? When was this?

00:45:18.40
alexei sayle
when gangs confront each other, you know like drill gangs. Like a famous... Dis or whatever. I don't know what the correct term is A great schism in in philosophy when Wittgenstein waved a poker at...

00:45:26.43
Talal K
Oh. Oh.

00:45:30.51
alexei sayle
Bye-bye.

00:45:32.26
Talal K
Yeah, like a dance battle Breakdance battle.

00:45:35.39
alexei sayle
Yeah, but you know. Yeah, two gangs facing off against each other

00:45:40.25
Talal K
When did the...

00:45:41.35
alexei sayle
This was in the 19... 20s, 30s. Can I guess?

00:45:47.97
Talal K
ah All I'm finding is seven pillars of poppers. Um...

00:45:53.86
alexei sayle
What were the seven pillars then? Seven pillars of wisdom.

00:45:55.38
Talal K
of Popper's social philosophy.

00:45:57.91
alexei sayle
Right.

00:46:00.84
Talal K
I'll tell you. oh God. Wow. This is the problem trying to avoid the AI overview. is if to searched through massive articles a Rationality.

00:46:12.44
Talal K
The seven pillars of Popper's social... philosophy rationality valuing both conceptual and practical reasoning in public discourse. ah individualism.

00:46:23.20
Talal K
Emphasizing ontological and methodological individualism. treating the individual as the primary unit of social reality. libertate Libertarianism.

00:46:36.41
Talal K
defending individual liberties, etc. Non-existence of historical laws rejecting historicism.

00:46:47.85
Talal K
I'm not seeing journalism here anywhere.

00:46:48.32
alexei sayle
Oof. No, I haven't seen the media or the judiciary. Maybe that was something else. I said don't know where I've seen that.

00:46:54.63
Talal K
You'll get in your...

00:46:54.47
alexei sayle
but um

00:46:55.32
Talal K
Our philosophy is mixed up.

00:46:56.32
alexei sayle
you know I think we can all go along with all of that, really. Perhaps not. Individualism. I don't know, as Marxists, do we believe in individualism or do we believe in...

00:47:04.34
Talal K
Yeah.

00:47:06.20
alexei sayle
The collective. I don't know.

00:47:07.57
Talal K
We are one. Negative utilitarianism.

00:47:09.96
alexei sayle
Comment below in the comments for your views. Your views are important to us. Let me know what you think on these important...

00:47:17.95
Talal K
a

00:47:18.57
alexei sayle
topics Because I don't care. deeply what you think. about this stuff. There you go.

00:47:26.44
Talal K
What do we know about Jungian psychoanalysis?

00:47:30.08
alexei sayle
He was into that was he?

00:47:32.64
Talal K
I met a guy who was a... Psychotherapist and he said he was he said he was a young Ian

00:47:36.87
alexei sayle
Mm hmm.

00:47:39.50
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:47:39.98
Talal K
Psychotherapist mate. Uh, okay. So you could do therapy with... of using a philosopher's

00:47:47.84
alexei sayle
Now Young was a psychotherapist as well, he wasn't a philosopher.

00:47:50.67
Talal K
Okay. That explains it. I've always thought of Carl Jung as a

00:47:56.96
alexei sayle
No, not at all.

00:47:57.54
Talal K
But I'm dumb.

00:48:02.71
alexei sayle
eight

00:48:04.34
Talal K
I could do it too

00:48:08.86
alexei sayle
ah

00:48:12.35
alexei sayle
That's what we think of young.

00:48:17.18
Talal K
Take that. Young. Who's your least favorite? A philosopher.

00:48:24.43
alexei sayle
Well, I used to have a ah most philosopher or... um i don't I don't know enough. to... ah well ah ac Well, I mean, a very minor philosopher, really, but A .C. Grayling.

00:48:37.69
alexei sayle
who actually taught Linda at Birkbeck and she said he was a good lecturer, but he's a... Um... I toured Australia with him as a Bloomsbury author and he was... it tremendous shit

00:48:48.96
Talal K
so On a personal level, he's your least favourite.

00:48:50.83
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what his philosophy is. I think he was saying... I think he tried to, I don't know what his... um

00:48:58.71
Talal K
and

00:48:58.88
alexei sayle
speciality is i know he took i think he talked a bit that much I mean, talk about the... but um On a personal level, he's my least favorite. philosopher. AC Grayling.

00:49:10.12
Talal K
Uh huh. I was born in northern Rhodesia.

00:49:14.29
alexei sayle
Hello everyone! There you go.

00:49:15.82
Talal K
this is what it says here Um...

00:49:18.81
alexei sayle
Had a very bouffant hair. It was very wrong, but there was a... a journalist, an interviewer, a celebrity interviewer who later had several terrible things happen to her.

00:49:29.98
alexei sayle
But she was interviewing. AC Grayling, and she... um She ah made an excuse and went to the... bathroom and opened his bathroom cabinet and there was just several cans of hairspray in there because he had a very bouffant

00:49:43.54
Talal K
Yeah.

00:49:44.87
alexei sayle
hair.

00:49:46.01
Talal K
That's so old school.

00:49:46.79
alexei sayle
But me and my friend Meg bonded and we became really good friends to this day. and our shared hatred of AC groaning.

00:49:53.67
Talal K
You're really exposing this

00:49:57.30
alexei sayle
it was i Yeah, well, I think he...

00:49:58.49
Talal K
Tell us about his divorce. Come on, tell us about his divorce.

00:49:59.99
alexei sayle
He kind of got cancelled and stuff as well, didn't he? But I don't know.

00:50:03.81
Talal K
No idea.

00:50:04.22
alexei sayle
overstepped the mark. liturgiously.

00:50:08.63
Talal K
Rhodesia.

00:50:10.14
alexei sayle
but um

00:50:11.98
Talal K
Leo DiCaprio in Blood Diamond saying Rhodesia. his His accent was alright in that, wasn't it?

00:50:20.67
alexei sayle
I can't remember. Yeah, I think it was alright. In... um A similar film, Tears of the Sun. Starring Bruce Willis, the... The uh...

00:50:33.83
alexei sayle
Bad African dictator is played by an ex student of mine when I was a drama teacher

00:50:38.70
Talal K
No way.

00:50:39.78
alexei sayle
Eamon Walker

00:50:43.78
alexei sayle
who's still going and i think lives in the states now and is in something like Chicago PD or something.

00:50:49.52
Talal K
No way.

00:50:51.53
alexei sayle
Yes way.

00:50:53.06
Talal K
Tears of the sun.

00:50:54.47
alexei sayle
Oh no! Oh no!

00:50:57.78
Talal K
Eamon Walker, there he is.

00:50:59.55
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:50:59.61
Talal K
Grenadier.

00:51:01.72
alexei sayle
a student of mine at Camden Under.

00:51:01.95
Talal K
Grenadier. No, it just says he was a grenadier.

00:51:05.72
alexei sayle
No, he was the main buddy, I think.

00:51:05.97
Talal K
Who's that?

00:51:09.01
Talal K
Okay, I'll take your word for it.

00:51:09.20
alexei sayle
Tears of the sun, I think.

00:51:11.98
Talal K
He's 64 years old now.

00:51:16.41
alexei sayle
And now...

00:51:20.46
Talal K
Yeah, still going. Good on him. what you taught him what he was in your media

00:51:24.19
alexei sayle
In my drama class at North London College.

00:51:25.57
Talal K
on your drama class.

00:51:28.70
Talal K
um Cool. We found ourselves in a little conversational cul-de-sac here. I will rescue us by reading a message from our Patreon chat room. What do you think?

00:51:39.95
alexei sayle
Yes, do that. yeah

00:51:41.32
Talal K
Okay. Please, listeners at home, please support. This goddamn podcast. by going to patreon .com forward slash alexisale podcast it's easy to do just type patreon .com forward slash alexis l podcast have a little browse and consider Sending us a few quid a month.

00:52:00.99
Talal K
At least for a short time. and supporting this grassroots independent production. Um, Please do not use the Patreon. apple app.

00:52:12.46
Talal K
The iPhone app? ads. to the charge. It adds money. They want to get their cut.

00:52:17.89
alexei sayle
fuckers

00:52:19.64
Talal K
And they take it out of you, not from us. So a £3 subscription on the website, which is... Easier to to do than downloading the app. three pound subscription is going to cost you like 450 or a fiver on the iPhone app.

00:52:32.06
alexei sayle
Oh my God. Oh no!

00:52:34.16
Talal K
And all of that goes to Apple.

00:52:35.78
alexei sayle
Oh, no.

00:52:35.99
Talal K
Fuck Apple. there're

00:52:37.53
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:52:37.86
Talal K
Even though I use all their equipment, they're a Zionist entity, but they don't need any more money than necessary.

00:52:41.30
alexei sayle
Yeah. I know.

00:52:43.55
Talal K
Um... They've integrated chat GPT into all their shit now. My phone keeps...

00:52:48.64
alexei sayle
Are they?

00:52:49.29
Talal K
asking me do i want to allow chachi so every once a day i have to tell my phone to fuck off.

00:52:55.38
alexei sayle
Right.

00:52:55.69
Talal K
Um,

00:52:56.94
alexei sayle
Do you do that in public?

00:52:57.26
Talal K
So don't use the iPhone app

00:52:59.44
alexei sayle
Alright.

00:52:59.29
Talal K
to support us.

00:53:00.10
alexei sayle
yeah don't fucking ah apple fucking apple i used to love apple but i hate them now

00:53:00.49
Talal K
Please.

00:53:04.98
Talal K
Mm hmm.

00:53:07.10
alexei sayle
I've got an Android phone. I've got an Apple computer. ah

00:53:10.32
Talal K
in But on our Patreon, we have... Three different chat rooms are full of lovely gorgeous people. ah who... who who today is blowing up because...

00:53:21.94
Talal K
kenny said ooh just had a message that my pre-ordered copy of alexis new book is in the post Kate says. Snap just got that notice as well. Amro says. Oh, sadly, my book seems to be lost in the postal system. Oh no, Amro!

00:53:36.39
alexei sayle
Shit.

00:53:39.24
Talal K
Oh, and then Fjord says, don't stress. Mine went quiet until the post office messaged me today. And then Amro comes back. Two days later saying, I have indeed just received an email saying they've sent my book. Thank God for that, Amro.

00:53:51.58
alexei sayle
This is like a star saga isn't it like of the Greek

00:53:52.89
Talal K
Oh my god. Oh my god.

00:53:55.64
alexei sayle
at the Odyssey.

00:53:57.26
Talal K
Dr. Phillips sends a picture of his book in his own hands. fjoord has Fjords has arrived as well. Rockhopper Penguin has arrived.

00:54:04.80
alexei sayle
Phew.

00:54:06.37
Talal K
Erica Lang.

00:54:06.72
alexei sayle
Well, thank you for, yeah.

00:54:08.13
Talal K
Number one fan, Erica. got her signed copy everyone's saying they're all copies are signed mine isn't

00:54:14.71
alexei sayle
I'll sign it for you.

00:54:16.33
Talal K
i love oh yeah please i love the front cover it looks like activist backpack.

00:54:19.84
alexei sayle
Yeah, they did a very good job. I must say, everybody.

00:54:22.14
Talal K
let's look at the backpack

00:54:22.60
alexei sayle
Everybody. Everybody in my publishers is fantastically good at their job. It's a delight.

00:54:29.07
Talal K
Um... so well done everyone getting your book mark our secretary for media and shit Um, has a question so we have one of our other chat rooms so that was in the task chats questions for alexi chat mark asks one of the most overlooked figures in the young ones is christopher ryan i'm currently re-watching the sitcom he did after a small problem it's called Written by Stuff's Tony Millen.

00:54:54.74
alexei sayle
Yes.

00:54:57.84
alexei sayle
Who is it?

00:54:57.86
Talal K
With Mike Walling.

00:54:58.45
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:54:59.45
Talal K
for a possible article just wondering if alexi had any thoughts on ryan why is he overlooked anecdotes etc Hmm.

00:55:08.07
alexei sayle
Yeah, I mean, I think it was fortuitous, really. that um I think we've probably talked about how you know Peter Richardson was originally... um slated to play my character but he fell out with Because pizza is very...

00:55:23.83
alexei sayle
Well, you know. He's a director and producer, and he wants to do everything his way, really, and he he couldn't. He couldn't work with Paul Jackson, so he... quit very early on and then they I had nothing to do with this but they... they Chris... um

00:55:43.46
alexei sayle
auditioned you know and you know got the role and i think it was i think i think peter would have Or somebody else like Keith would have overloaded it, really, that you've you've just got a straight actor. Nigel made an interesting point, though. I thought about the... um when we were doing it we were doing a young ones thing in in um more come i think you and he said what the one The one thing that doesn't work about Chris is his clothes, really, that it because we didn't.

00:56:12.27
alexei sayle
We just let the the costume department have their way with them. And so he wears these kind of ridiculous outfits, which are not. Which he couldn't have got, really. I know. believability is not necessarily what he always is about but And I'd never thought of it.

00:56:27.92
alexei sayle
I thought that was a really interesting.

00:56:29.93
Talal K
Well, that they were like expensive looking clothes.

00:56:29.85
alexei sayle
Commentary that Nigel... A lot, yeah, and a continually changing wardrobe. and

00:56:36.17
Talal K
But the whole joke was that you're all poor, penniless.

00:56:38.21
alexei sayle
Yeah, exactly you know I don't think it worked with me because I you know i can obviously had this series of costumes, but that was different.

00:56:39.23
Talal K
Yeah.

00:56:45.52
alexei sayle
but um And as I thought that was a really interesting point, really. That's the one thing that... on theco script But he was very... They're very serious. um actor chris he wasn't you know he it was a little very difficult for him i think to come in Because by this point the rest of us all knew each other so well.

00:57:03.65
Talal K
Mm hmm.

00:57:04.92
alexei sayle
that um you know, it's difficult to. to come into an environment.

00:57:10.54
Talal K
well yeah on the one hand that might have worked better in a

00:57:11.54
alexei sayle
And he did a very good job.

00:57:14.34
Talal K
You know, and like a Jersey Belosky kind of dynamic where he is a separate entity. but on the other hand he is also kind of the top dog of the team everyone

00:57:22.42
alexei sayle
Kind of, yeah.

00:57:23.58
Talal K
So it also works in that sense. I always.

00:57:25.39
alexei sayle
i think it would I think Chris works very well. I think he did, ah you know.

00:57:28.57
Talal K
Absolutely. yeah He has. some of the best bits in the show. And then I think some of the duds as well fall on his character as well.

00:57:35.93
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:57:37.26
Talal K
But um they're very far and few between.

00:57:40.44
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:57:40.52
Talal K
Um, Ian.

00:57:41.61
alexei sayle
And yes, it was an interesting...

00:57:41.58
Talal K
ah

00:57:42.49
alexei sayle
I mean, it was ah the thing... um I bumped into Tony Mellon recently in a tube station and somewhere and we sort of... vaguely being in touch really because uh tony yeah tony was in also in stuff was one of the repertory company The first three series of stuff. um But the small... problem was about how Short people were being made illegal in Britain.

00:58:06.22
alexei sayle
think wasn't it It only ran to one series. um but i think it was quite interesting piece of work really

00:58:12.61
Talal K
A small problem. I've never heard of it.

00:58:15.18
alexei sayle
No.

00:58:15.22
Talal K
That's interesting. I'll look it up

00:58:17.100
alexei sayle
Hmm.

00:58:18.08
Talal K
i andrew Ian Drew Dice Clay. uh observes that uh they they recently caught your celebrity antiques road trip with nigel planer on bbc i was I guess they replayed it on TV the other day And they observed that you got the nicer introduction from the voiceover.

00:58:36.94
alexei sayle
Did I?

00:58:36.96
Talal K
So you were both introduced as... the godfather of alternative comedy, Alexi Sale, and funny man, Nigel Planer.

00:58:45.39
alexei sayle
Ha ha.

00:58:46.02
Talal K
ah

00:58:47.61
alexei sayle
God bless you.

00:58:48.51
Talal K
Ha ha. Did we talk about Bill Oddie? Because Bob asks, they'd be interested to hear your views on Bill Oddie.

00:58:54.87
alexei sayle
Yeah, Bill. I mean, I didn't know him. Well, my friend David Stafford, my late friend David Stafford... um He was very close to Bill and lived with him when after his... It's first marriage.

00:59:06.15
alexei sayle
Broke up. Um, And Bill wrote... It's... Bill wrote us a very sweet letter. when we were She wrote to the...

00:59:17.41
alexei sayle
i know before a comic strip i guess to all of us just saying, you know, watch. Don't let them grind you down like they ground me down. Kind of thing. Be careful with that.

00:59:29.25
alexei sayle
The way you deal with the bosses and the power kind of thing. I seem to remember that some of the others laughed at him. I thought it he was very sincere, really. I mean I saw him Right, David from Time to Time. me i you know I mean, it was funny.

00:59:45.95
alexei sayle
Bill's first wife, Jean Hart, was a feminist and she'd made... built by two houses on overlooking the ponds at Southend Green in Hampstead. One was the men's house and one was the women's house and they were connected.

01:00:00.12
alexei sayle
at the first floor. the man the The men's house was full of... sad men like david did and just being divorced and stuff and then The women's house was full of women who were very happy.

01:00:11.30
alexei sayle
ah But the men could only...

01:00:12.31
Talal K
Hmm.

01:00:12.92
alexei sayle
Enter the women's house by the first floor. And I had to be invited in like vampires. um i i mean uh so you saw bill from times i mean he had a very

01:00:24.66
Talal K
They do panty raids.

01:00:27.18
alexei sayle
No, it was...

01:00:27.36
Talal K
American college.

01:00:28.46
alexei sayle
Everything was very serious.

01:00:29.67
Talal K
comedies.

01:00:29.86
alexei sayle
I must seem to remember there was a notice board.

01:00:31.36
Talal K
Panty raids Sorry carry on

01:00:33.49
alexei sayle
Um, I mean, obviously, Bill had a very... difficult. um later life really had struggled with bipolar and um

01:00:44.23
Talal K
oh gosh

01:00:45.80
alexei sayle
it was very very His last few years were very difficult. um and i'd be very very Sorry. for him but and i think it was partly precipitated but we don't go into the details of it partly precipitated by him doing the first series in fact maybe even the first episode of who do you think you are and he learned some facts about his mother The kind of...

01:01:09.33
Talal K
oh

01:01:09.27
alexei sayle
i mean I'm not... betraying any secrets here because i think i read it in the obituaries of him that he he learned some secrets about his family life that really Um,

01:01:20.32
Talal K
Oh, geez.

01:01:21.91
alexei sayle
It kind of tipped him into depression. ah i It was, a you know, it was a difficult... I said... I remember saying to him once, you know well you know, I had my novelty hit. You had your novelty hit record as well.

01:01:36.50
alexei sayle
And he said, I had five number ones.

01:01:39.43
Talal K
ah

01:01:40.72
alexei sayle
I think something like that. Put me in my place

01:01:46.47
Talal K
Um...

01:01:46.86
alexei sayle
Yep.

01:01:48.05
Talal K
I have one more please. Before we go.

01:01:51.03
alexei sayle
All right

01:01:50.98
Talal K
all right

01:01:51.76
alexei sayle
Yeah.

01:01:52.03
Talal K
Time for one more because I need to.

01:01:53.34
alexei sayle
Just about, you know.

01:01:54.92
Talal K
I've got a tent I need to hang up and dry out because I had to camp last week for two days and... It was a beautiful weather until we had to pack the tents away and they got soaked.

01:02:06.43
Talal K
I tried to go to the park yesterday to dry it out and someone accused me of being homeless and you're not allowed You're not allowed to sleep there.

01:02:12.18
alexei sayle
Yeah.

01:02:14.77
Talal K
So I'm drawing my fucking tent out. Um... Miss Alice username. Asks. Hiya! Really appreciated Talal and Alexi sharing their love of lesbian weddings last year. That was ah our episode with Sami Abuwardi called My First Lesbian Wedding. if I remember correctly.

01:02:36.30
Talal K
I'm getting lesbian married this weekend. and wondered if Alexei could offer advice to a long marriage. especially for couples who are politically and community engaged.

01:02:47.47
Talal K
My copy of the new book arrives tomorrow and I'm excited to get stuck into it, probably. on my honeymoon well congratulations Alice

01:02:55.34
alexei sayle
Okay, yes, congratulations, username.

01:02:56.80
Talal K
first and foremost.

01:02:58.74
alexei sayle
Um, Oh god, I wouldn't...

01:02:59.53
Talal K
Advice for a long marriage for a politically active couple.

01:03:01.34
alexei sayle
I've been married long.

01:03:03.63
Talal K
Hey.

01:03:04.30
alexei sayle
a long

01:03:06.62
Talal K
You have.

01:03:07.22
alexei sayle
Long time.

01:03:08.44
Talal K
James O 'Brien sweetly said it's one of the... what How did he describe it? Because you're... You're one of the rare ah But he's he's had a very sweet way of wording you and Linda's relationship.

01:03:20.01
alexei sayle
ah ah

01:03:21.29
Talal K
Um... despite what we think of James. Don't come at us, guys.

01:03:24.91
alexei sayle
Yeah, that's not...

01:03:25.40
Talal K
He's promoting his book for fuck's sake.

01:03:27.15
alexei sayle
let's know

01:03:27.95
Talal K
ah But yeah, he said. to Yeah, you're a... Pillar, a landmark um of celebrity marriages essentially something like that but yeah Okay, sorry. Fucking hell.

01:03:39.84
alexei sayle
I don't, I never really.

01:03:39.96
Talal K
Talk.

01:03:43.29
alexei sayle
um

01:03:46.77
alexei sayle
I don't know. I've got no... and I mean it's I think.

01:03:49.84
Talal K
What advice for surviving the maybe if the friction or the any tense moments in a long relationship how do you deal with that

01:03:56.29
alexei sayle
Oh, I wouldn't. Yeah. Uh...

01:04:00.35
Talal K
Or how do you heal? Afterwards.

01:04:04.02
alexei sayle
Uh...

01:04:07.44
alexei sayle
ah

01:04:11.63
Talal K
I can't believe this has stumped you. You have such a nice relationship. I guess it's not it it's just because you lucked out, isn't it?

01:04:16.84
alexei sayle
Yeah. I don't want that.

01:04:19.43
Talal K
You just found your other, isn't it?

01:04:20.01
alexei sayle
Yes, just look. Yes, just look. It's not. you know we Yeah, we are. I mean, we are very, I mean, we're close politically and social, you know, come from the same.

01:04:32.86
alexei sayle
backgrounds and I think that that all that ultimately helps really. Yeah.

01:04:38.05
Talal K
And you truly love and trust each other.

01:04:41.51
alexei sayle
Well, yeah. I don't know if Linda trusts me or anybody, but yeah.

01:04:42.78
Talal K
Yeah.

01:04:46.08
Talal K
But is the advice then just marry the right person?

01:04:49.11
alexei sayle
Yeah. Mary's the right person.

01:04:53.01
Talal K
It's either going to work or it's not. My parents were married. almost 50 years and uh The amount of times I saw them take their wedding wedding rings off in anger and... you know declare that they're going to break up but they We'd always come back together more in love than ever And until you know till the end, until his dying day, they were the closest couple you could see.

01:05:10.66
alexei sayle
Yeah.

01:05:13.69
Talal K
And I think they just... were the right pair you know and it's it is luck isn't it luck and wisdom combined

01:05:17.99
alexei sayle
Yeah. And a lock plate's an awful lot to do with it, I think, yeah.

01:05:24.33
Talal K
So good luck, Alice. Sorry we couldn't provide more than that.

01:05:25.86
alexei sayle
Yeah. and now i i should uh well that's what we have also

01:05:28.68
Talal K
Smith.

01:05:30.76
alexei sayle
I'm not somebody you really I mean, I... it's It's funny with you know, you're talking about your personal life because you you have to be I think you know sometimes you can be using your own life for...

01:05:43.40
alexei sayle
entertainment purposes really these and which i don't which i'm loathe to do in a way.

01:05:45.40
Talal K
Hmm.

01:05:49.02
Talal K
Yeah.

01:05:49.70
alexei sayle
I don't know.

01:05:50.63
Talal K
No, I respect that absolutely.

01:05:50.65
alexei sayle
Maybe. No.

01:05:53.02
Talal K
Um, It's a very young thing now where people just put everything. everything, their whole soul. is their content. and

01:06:01.01
alexei sayle
I think that's a mistake.

01:06:02.59
Talal K
And it means they become less of a person. in themselves. uh but good luck alice and wish wishing you a lovely weekend and a honeymoon

01:06:08.83
alexei sayle
Yes. Machine, yes.

01:06:12.09
Talal K
Hope you get to hear this before the marriage. All right.

01:06:15.76
alexei sayle
my words My words of non-advice.

01:06:16.08
Talal K
Okay, speaking of the Patreon, I think... I think we're going to go off and record an Alexi Reacts, isn't it, after this?

01:06:21.56
alexei sayle
All right. Yeah, let's do that.

01:06:23.50
Talal K
so for the first time in a while we've had some new suggestions on the alexi reacts chat room which is the third chat room on the patreon there is exclusive content on the patreon including these alexi reacts where every week essentially we We record a video of Alexi reacting to some stuff he's done in the past. And I've got a corker for you today, Alexi.

01:06:45.99
alexei sayle
Alright.

01:06:46.38
Talal K
it might actually upset you i hope it doesn't i hope you agree to do it So let's see. all right that's that's the show i love you listeners thanks for the support oh and god i just need to say we're off again next week I've had the busiest summer ever I've been working of hell of a lot over the summer and that's meant we couldn't do a few episodes over the over august I think we've missed one or two weeks of August.

01:07:10.22
alexei sayle
If we don't put the...

01:07:10.09
Talal K
We're going to...

01:07:11.03
alexei sayle
We haven't... Why don't we put the Diane Morgan one up?

01:07:14.27
Talal K
we have i've got that in the bank i'm saving it for when we i might put that out while i'm on holiday next week

01:07:15.95
alexei sayle
but

01:07:20.62
Talal K
But we're not doing a regular show next week. possibly the week after i am away two thursdays in a row i'll try and

01:07:30.38
Talal K
Yeah, we might have to have two weeks off. So I will drop the Diane Morgan episode in the next two weeks. That I'll promise you. listeners. And then we're back to our regular scheduling after that.

01:07:42.69
Talal K
As long as it's electricity.

01:07:43.13
alexei sayle
I might be busy.

01:07:44.38
Talal K
Alexis touring his book as well.

01:07:46.44
alexei sayle
Yeah.

01:07:47.09
Talal K
So forgive us for the irregular schedule.

01:07:47.89
alexei sayle
Or should you be happy? I won't let you be heavy. but is it No, no, no, no, no, no. no no no

01:07:54.99
Talal K
No, no!

01:07:56.11
alexei sayle
No. What's your GBIP?

01:07:56.95
Talal K
No!

01:07:58.29
alexei sayle
Now!

01:08:00.42
Talal K
well we have to end it there don't we

01:08:02.27
alexei sayle
Yeah.

01:08:07.33
alexei sayle
Come on then.

01:08:10.51
alexei sayle
Bye-bye.

01:08:11.04
Talal K
There we go.