00:32.11
Vance
Welcome back to Right Click.

00:34.55
Nandi K
A bite-sized pop culture conversation with your favorite queer, unfriendly Black hotties.

00:39.43
Vance
And we're unfriendly today because I miss Wendy Williams and her mess, to be honest. um I'm Vanskace Gowe
00:47.21
Nandi K
And I'm Nandi K. I saw Wendy Williams today meeting Dolly Parton. Oh, Dolly! Dolly Parton just passed away yesterday for us.

00:57.98
Nandi K
ah But her meeting Dolly Parton.

01:01.62
Nandi K
And it was like when she was younger. I love Wendy Williams. I miss that lady so bad.

01:08.35
Vance
Y 'all could never get me to hate Wendy, to be honest. like i i

01:10.84
Nandi K
I definitely hated her, but I enjoyed hating her. like

01:13.91
Vance
it's It's a fun hate.

01:15.01
Nandi K
She's fun to hate. Yeah.

01:17.50
Vance
it's a very like Yeah. Fun hate.

01:20.67
Nandi K
Yeah. Yeah, it's fun to hate Wendy Williams.

01:22.68
Vance
Um. People. i also think it's just not a lot of people like her like it's like she's a Pro... Professional antagonist?

01:31.48
Nandi K
Yeah.

01:32.84
Vance
And like...

01:32.99
Nandi K
Damn, that's a good way to put it.

01:35.30
Vance
She brought things out of people. Like.

01:38.11
Nandi K
Dang.

01:38.99
Vance
You know, where it's just like. I mean, Whitney, nobody's saying Whitney was like not like that, right?

01:42.36
Nandi K
Bruh.

01:44.10
Vance
But the that...

01:44.85
Nandi K
Right.

01:45.19
Vance
That is that. I mean, that's what this episode's about. is

01:49.21
Nandi K
That's honestly my favorite Whitney moment.

01:51.53
Vance
Is that? not iconic, Whitney calling in the studio and being like, bitch, he was talking shit.

01:56.90
Nandi K
she She had to remind... Wendy that she's still from Newark. And that like. Don't get too crazy bitch. And this is the thing about Whitney.

02:08.88
Nandi K
You can only go so far with Whitney.

02:11.09
Vance
Look. Look.

02:11.74
Nandi K
She's going to let you know when you've reached the point. She said, well, you're always talking about me, bitch, so.

02:14.86
Vance
Call it somebody job Right. What's up?

02:18.89
Nandi K
I know, that's right.

02:20.24
Vance
Calling somebody job. And then she was like, when did you say I'm going to beat your ass?

02:24.11
Nandi K
Yeah.

02:25.62
Vance
Amazing.

02:26.88
Nandi K
ah Well, today we're talking about... Iconic beefs like iconic celebrity beefs I really wanted to talk about this because I saw a video online.

02:41.58
Nandi K
um about a famous beef that made me laugh so hard.

02:46.32
Vance
Which one?

02:46.24
Nandi K
i through it i'm gonna talk about it because i put it on my list yeah it's one of mine so i don't want to say but i saw it and i was like oh my god we have to do an episode about

02:48.47
Vance
Is it, oh, it's one of your, oh, it's, got it, got it.

02:56.99
Nandi K
the different celebrity beeefs because they're just Some of them are so ridiculous. um

03:03.02
Vance
rightt

03:04.34
Nandi K
Yeah, and I'm excited to see which ones we're going to have that are like different because we were talking about getting prepped for the episode. we were running into like different. issues.

03:14.97
Vance
Oh, different. Like I was over, I was over in one camp and you was in another camp.

03:19.08
Nandi K
Yeah.

03:19.84
Vance
Yes. Um, I did want to just like talking about beefs. Like what is, what is the appeal for like a public beef for you?

03:23.85
Nandi K
Yeah.

03:27.85
Vance
Or people, you can talk broadly all about yourself.

03:29.39
Nandi K
Hmm. Yeah, I think... For me, I really... So like celebrities are human beings. And I think that when we get to see.

03:40.30
Nandi K
Celebrities have a beef. It's kind of just like a sociological study. on how people who don't like each other or have animosity with each other navigate.

03:53.86
Nandi K
that in public.

03:55.84
Vance
Right

03:56.47
Nandi K
when their lives are kind of on display, I...

03:59.55
Vance
It's the audience, yeah.

04:00.59
Nandi K
It's the same reason I like reality television, because i do I'm very interested in watching human beings be human beings.

04:03.08
Vance
Yeah.

04:07.58
Nandi K
and in all the ways um and since they're celebrities i'm like i don't really know them and so it's fun

04:07.82
Vance
Right. Right.

04:16.25
Nandi K
to try to infer things about them. from how they engage in these kinds of conflicts.

04:19.88
Vance
how they respond.

04:22.88
Nandi K
Yeah.

04:23.11
Vance
Yeah. Agreed. i So I, like... not to sound crazy, but I i think I like, I enjoy. the honesty that comes out of conflict.

04:32.76
Nandi K
Hmm.

04:33.00
Vance
So...

04:33.08
Nandi K
Mm-hmm.

04:33.77
Vance
That's not even to say I enjoy conflict. I think that like, you know, like everyone else, conflict is uncomfortable. But I do think that there is a level of honesty that you get out of when you're like.

04:43.94
Nandi K
yeah

04:44.95
Vance
Bitch, I'm just going to say the thing. like And then like...

04:46.79
Nandi K
Yeah!

04:48.76
Vance
How much... Then how much comes out of that? like Especially like if you're talking about resolution, right?

04:54.40
Nandi K
Mm hmm.

04:54.19
Vance
If you're talking about actual resolution, conflict must be a part of it because you must...

04:57.84
Nandi K
Yes.

04:58.90
Vance
say the thing. And then now I know the thing and I can either be like, bitch, fuck you are okay.

05:03.29
Nandi K
Mhm.

05:03.78
Vance
Heard. And then you navigate that.

05:04.89
Nandi K
All right.

05:05.80
Vance
Right.

05:06.08
Nandi K
Right.

05:05.82
Vance
And I think like with the beef, you kind of lose that resolution piece. Um.

05:10.20
Nandi K
Mmm.

05:10.80
Vance
Which is also interested interesting to see because then like what happens when these people are not interested in resolution and then they just. Going at each other. And then like.

05:18.57
Nandi K
Chyyle.

05:19.33
Vance
the results, sometimes people die.

05:22.61
Nandi K
It's true

05:23.78
Vance
Yep.

05:25.32
Nandi K
Yes.

05:25.45
Vance
Like worst case scenario you die.

05:26.35
Nandi K
True.

05:27.13
Vance
I think I think the middle case scenario you might get buffed outside the head and learn something who knows

05:32.44
Nandi K
Yeah, maybe, but...

05:33.84
Vance
It. And best case is resolution.

05:38.05
Nandi K
Yeah, I like when people like fight and then are friends after because they had like a fight. I like that.

05:43.25
Vance
Right. No, that's the best. And I also like people that can take the lumps and be like... like

05:47.92
Nandi K
Yeah.

05:48.03
Vance
Law Roach. hater but that one

05:50.20
Nandi K
Big hater.

05:51.28
Vance
But that one that one scene where ah on a Legendary when Kiki Palmer like drags that nigga, he's like, you ate.

05:56.42
Nandi K
Mm hmm. Mm-hmm.

05:59.36
Vance
That I think that's how people that respect each other deal with conflict with each other.

06:03.57
Nandi K
I agree.

06:03.63
Vance
Like, okay, I heard.

06:04.57
Nandi K
It's like, okay, I respect that.

06:05.88
Vance
Yeah.

06:06.26
Nandi K
Yeah, okay.

06:06.74
Vance
You did that.

06:08.46
Nandi K
Okay, I was wrong and you did put me in my place.

06:10.43
Vance
i Right. You gathered me. Okay. Heard.

06:15.38
Nandi K
All right, well, I guess we're going to recount a few of our favorite beefs. I picked three.

06:20.01
Vance
Okay.

06:21.06
Nandi K
I would love for you to kick off.

06:24.36
Vance
Okay.

06:24.53
Nandi K
with your first beef. These are not in any particular order obviously.

06:28.17
Vance
Yeah, yeah, not fave.

06:29.30
Nandi K
These are just all good.

06:31.27
Vance
Whew. Okay, so the first one, we've absolutely talked about this beef online on this show. We talked about it together. it's kind of I feel like it's it's ah one of the ah points in our relationship that I could point to.

06:43.56
Vance
be like Oh yeah, this like this thing kind of bonded us a little.

06:43.90
Nandi K
and

06:46.67
Vance
Zora Neale Hurston. versus Langston Hughes.

06:49.40
Nandi K
Yes. Oh my God.

06:50.67
Vance
Yeah.

06:51.26
Nandi K
Yes. So good.

06:53.74
Vance
right so um i think i might have mentioned it before this but like the only reason some people beef as hard as they beef is because they once loved each other and In this very specific specific situation, Langston and Zora were besties.

07:02.74
Nandi K
Come on.

07:08.90
Vance
They were close.

07:09.63
Nandi K
Yep.

07:10.56
Vance
um I think they respected each other as like professionally.

07:10.69
Nandi K
Mm-hmm.

07:13.55
Vance
And then personally, they they hung out.

07:15.09
Nandi K
Mhm.

07:16.01
Vance
um I think they had similar ideas about the world. And I think they were kind of similarly. I wouldn't say cast out, but just kind of look down on. could they they They were a little too niggerish for their contemporaries.

07:26.83
Nandi K
Mm-hmm Well, I'm not gonna say that Langston was niggerish. Zora.

07:30.94
Vance
Zora was definitely

07:32.04
Nandi K
was...

07:33.72
Vance
So...

07:33.69
Nandi K
Langston wasn't.

07:35.39
Vance
[laugh]

07:35.33
Nandi K
Zora was.

07:37.04
Vance
Well, Langston had other problems. I just feel like Langston was messy. Like, Langston was ah fucking people and being like...

07:40.64
Nandi K
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

07:44.88
Vance
He was being a yeah make little raggedy in that regard.

07:45.99
Nandi K
Yeah. Mm hmm.

07:48.66
Vance
Anyway, so. Uh... They were besties. They used to roll around eating eating watermelon and writing poems and just loving on each other.

07:55.94
Nandi K
Zora took him to the South for the first time.

07:58.53
Vance
Yup, and show them, show them.

07:59.18
Nandi K
He was like, ‘niggers down here are so happy. Wow’.

08:02.50
Vance
Right. He said, oh, this is different than what I thought. She was like, yeah. Which... which was Zora's work, big picture. so

08:08.92
Nandi K
Hmm.

08:09.86
Vance
The conflict came about when they started collaborating together and they they did a shared project called. mule bone which was a play um there was some issues with uh the The girl I was working with, the the receptionist.

08:24.44
Nandi K
The typist. The typist...

08:27.30
Vance
The type is crazy. But yeah, the type is. um It sounds like the typist on Langston was like maybe playing on the side, and it sounds like maybe there was some pillow talk where like the typist was like, yo.

08:38.99
Vance
put me on as like a co-producer you know and zora was not having it So that was the start of it.

08:45.07
Nandi K
Yeah, because that's crazy.

08:46.91
Vance
Because...

08:47.21
Nandi K
I'm on Zora's side, as we know in this.

08:49.51
Vance
who Zora said who That's the maid is what she got.

08:54.91
Nandi K
Bye.

08:56.41
Vance
She said that. She was like, the typist? it

08:59.04
Nandi K
Because that's true. All she was doing was typing.

09:02.44
Vance
what I can do that. so So there was some conflict there. Then they kind of like broke up completely. And then Langston wrote a version of the play. And Zora has a version of the play. Langston tried to produce his version. It was a mess. so The fallout kind of was like documented through like other people seeing it and their notes to it, the notes, the letters they would write each other.

09:22.41
Nandi K
Letters. Yeah.

09:24.88
Vance
And I feel like this ultimately is a tragedy because... It seemed like all the attempts to repair were always like thwarted by like, oh, the letter took a long time to get to him. And then somebody did some dumb nigga shit, some ego shit. And then like, it was like, oh, it's bad. We can't go back.

09:43.05
Nandi K
Yeah.

09:43.08
Vance
So. That's my that's my first offer

09:46.14
Nandi K
Did you end up reading Mule Bone? Because the thing about that...

09:50.30
Vance
I read...

09:52.64
Nandi K
That always is like. Basically, like Langston was trying to say that he wrote more than he did.

10:01.47
Vance
Uh huh.

10:01.51
Nandi K
And so I read both versions.

10:04.56
Vance
Uh huh.

10:05.60
Nandi K
And. All these characters are characters who appeared in Zora Neale Hurston's work. consistently before she even met Langston Hughes.

10:17.89
Nandi K
right all her stories about joe clark and eatonville that was like a major setting in her work. So like the fact that.

10:28.73
Nandi K
Langston was trying to, and that was one thing she did, shaded the fuck out of him, being like, this nigga maybe added a couple fucking things.

10:35.88
Vance
right right he

10:37.29
Nandi K
And that was the other thing because he had never written a play. And there was some insecurity around that as well because Zora was more experienced, not to mention she was at least a decade older than him.

10:41.66
Vance
Right.

10:49.09
Vance
Right.

10:49.45
Nandi K
So...

10:50.45
Vance
Who knows how old Zora was?

10:52.13
Nandi K
well we know when she was born but she was telling people she was a different age yeah she told people she was 10 years younger than she was

10:53.70
Vance
the abs Yeah, but that's what I'm doing. She was younger.

10:59.92
Nandi K
yeah she knew exactly how fucking old she was bitch She was not confused.

11:04.16
Vance
Hilarious.

11:06.22
Nandi K
Ugh.

11:05.93
Vance
mama was Mama was like 20-something in high school.

11:08.65
Nandi K
There she is.

11:08.25
Vance
She said, I like school.

11:10.20
Nandi K
she said bitch i can't keep going here if i'm ah not a child. I need to be 16.

11:15.10
Vance
Crazy. Thanks. Crazy.

11:16.60
Nandi K
That's why Black don't crack.

11:18.02
Vance
Right. And they did not know. They were like, that's definitely a 16 year old for sure.

11:21.40
Nandi K
Woo!

11:21.96
Vance
She's smoking the cigarette.

11:22.74
Nandi K
Okay, my first iconic beef is Michael Jackson and Prince, which is the beef that sparked...

11:29.00
Vance
Yes. uh

11:31.84
Nandi K
my my wanting to do this episode. So basically Prince tried to run Michael Jackson over with his motorcycle.

11:41.51
Vance
Not a motorcycle. Y 'all both going to die.

11:43.99
Nandi K
yeah it was insane so they're at a james brown concert This is... Before Michael Jackson... is huge huge But of course, like the Jackson 5 has been famous.

11:57.10
Vance
Right, right.

11:57.53
Nandi K
forever.

11:57.58
Vance
It's still Michael Jackson.

11:57.84
Nandi K
Michael's been famous. Michael Jackson's still been been famous his whole life. So they're at this James Brown concert. And James Brown sees Michael Jackson in the crowd. James Brown has also known Michael Jackson since he was a little boy. He says, Michael, what you doing down there? Come up here on stage and sing something.

12:17.24
Nandi K
And Michael's like, no. No I couldn't. I couldn't, James. And James Brown is like, no, come up here and do something. And then Michael was like. oh and then he did his little dance you know he did what he do yeah oh And the people was like. Oh shit! Oh shit, they're going crazy. ah Michael Jackson.

12:37.00
Nandi K
In the crowd as well is Prince. Now.

12:42.17
Vance
Pre-Prince.

12:42.36
Nandi K
Prince is watching all this go down. And he's kind of like, okay, whatever. Michael Jackson! Whispers to James Brown.

12:53.32
Nandi K
James. This is... This kid is really good. Prince. and fight them on stage Bring him up here. And... James was like, okay, if you say so.

13:06.33
Nandi K
And he was like, come on, Prince. And. he Prince was like, um... Shy. He didn't do a good job. He sounded terrible.

13:17.59
Nandi K
He wasn't really. He couldn't like play on the spot, I guess. like

13:22.45
Vance
Yeah at the time

13:23.08
Nandi K
It's like, play something, which is...

13:24.51
Vance
Yeah.

13:25.30
Nandi K
poor preparation. I gotta say it Prince. That's on you. Maybe if you was like more meticulous and disciplined. Then you wouldn't have had that. Anyways. He fucks up the little musical performance Then he tries to leave the stage. He jumps on like this like street lamp that's on the stage. The street lamp falls down when he jumps on it.

13:49.06
Nandi K
It's terrible. he's mad he falls off the stage yeah he falls off the stage

13:50.05
Vance
Villain origin story. This is

13:54.29
Nandi K
Then after... Michael Jackson and them are leaving. And. Prince. almost runs Michael Jackson over. Michael Jackson narrowly escapes.

14:06.14
Vance
He was with his mama too, right?

14:07.71
Nandi K
But his mama writes, he had to pull Miss ah Catherine out of the way.

14:09.22
Vance
Crazy. Okay. What did Miss Catherine do?

14:13.08
Nandi K
Yeah, so there was that. So that's the beginning of the beef. Then... Prince hated We Are The World and he refused to sing it. If y 'all remember in the televised version, like the video of them doing We Are The World, Prince famously has a lollipop in his mouth and when Quincy Jones tries to give him the microphone. He tries to give his lollipop to Quincy Jones.

14:36.56
Aaron Rand Freeman

14:36.96
Nandi K
And then last but not least. Prince! wouldn't do bad with Michael Jackson. That was supposed to be a duet.

14:45.61
Vance
Yeah.

14:45.70
Nandi K
Because the first line was, ‘your butt is mine’. And Prince was like, bitch, ain't no man gonna sing that to me.

14:49.13
Vance
Yeah.

14:52.61
Vance
And imagine Prince being homophobic.

14:52.73
Nandi K
Okay. ah You don't have to imagine in Jehovah's Witness.

14:57.55
Vance
um But like Prince.

14:59.48
Nandi K
Yeah, but Jehovah's Witness. It was a different time.

15:01.02
Vance
Sister.

15:02.14
Nandi K
But it was a different time where niggas used to dress like that.

15:02.62
Vance
Sister.

15:06.36
Nandi K
Niggas used to dress like ladies.

15:06.38
Vance
Booty cheeks out. I can see your booty. That's why I want it.

15:10.43
Nandi K
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. But I think they're so funny. Like the whole running him over with a motorcycle.

15:18.50
Vance
I hope.

15:18.77
Nandi K
It just like sends me every time.

15:22.32
Vance
And like, Michael Jackson could probably do a backflip. You would not go hit him on a motorcycle.

15:25.28
Nandi K
Mm hmm. Mm-mm.

15:27.56
Vance
He gonna moonwalk.

15:28.55
Nandi K
he's a virgo bro he's disciplined more disciplined than your gemini ass can imagine

15:30.77
Vance
and

15:34.53
Vance
Not happening. Now, I think Miss Catherine weakened him a little, right? Like he had to make sure she was out the way, but you wasn't going to hit him with a mark ah what ah what a a motorcycle.

15:38.21
Nandi K
For sure. Yeah. Mm-mm. mm-hmm No way. No way. Okay, what you got next?

15:47.47
Vance
Alright. Number two. Okay. So I know this was the the divide for us. I said rap beefs.

15:53.58
Nandi K
Mm hmm.

15:53.95
Vance
um There are so many. Choose one. I said Biggie Pac.

15:55.79
Nandi K
There are. Of course, I mean...

15:59.51
Vance
Yeah, so...

16:00.30
Nandi K
They don't beef like this anymore.

16:02.03
Vance
No, no, because this is what I was alluding to, where niggas be dying sometimes. so ah

16:06.58
Nandi K
I guess be dyin'.

16:07.91
Vance
This one started as a friendship. You got two young, up-and-coming rappers, 1990s. I think they were collaborating. They were you know they were doing their thing. So then it turned sour because one day they were collaborating in 1994. They were in New York.

16:21.93
Vance
There were. What's his name guy? ah What's his name? Tupac got shot.

16:26.53
Nandi K
Yep, at the studio.

16:28.14
Vance
At the studio.

16:28.18
Nandi K
at a bad boy studio

16:29.66
Vance
He think he got set up, so that's kind of what started the beef. Um... You know... Songs are made. Accusations were made about infidelity. Who knows if they're true? Niggas died. Both of them both of them died in drive-bys. And they say under mysterious circumstances.

16:46.99
Vance
Um. Diddy was involved with all this. Who knows? so I...

16:51.33
Nandi K
I think we were pretty sure.

16:53.09
Vance
I said this shit got very Games of Thrones on top of it.

16:56.26
Nandi K
Facts.

16:57.38
Vance
Very Games of Thrones coded. And then I said, um the aside from like... it low-key started some gang shit with like the regions

17:05.20
Nandi K
Oh yeah.

17:05.56
Vance
like West Coast, East Coast, and then you have the South, you know.

17:06.98
Nandi K
Mm-hmm.

17:09.06
Vance
Um. So like that started, I think, kind of the tribalism of the regions. um I think it kind of set the tone for other rap battles that we've seen throughout, you know, um throughout.

17:16.99
Nandi K
mm-hmm

17:19.41
Vance
I don't want to say history, but like yeah, just throughout the the time.

17:20.59
Nandi K
Yeah.

17:22.04
Vance
And then... The most notable thing to come out of this beef, I would say, is the diss track Hit Em Up. what Like...

17:32.44
Nandi K
And I probably fucked your bitch.

17:34.98
Vance
Um...

17:34.82
Nandi K
oh

17:36.32
Vance
I'll put that here, the opening line.

17:38.16
Nandi K
Yeah.

17:38.87
Vance
“Fuck your bitch and the clique you claim.”

17:40.62
Nandi K
Yes.

17:40.67
Vance
Devastating.

17:41.65
Nandi K
Fuck your bitch to neglect you.

17:41.69
Vance
um Right before...

17:43.10
Nandi K
And it's a bop too.

17:43.68
Vance
Right. Right, right.

17:44.33
Nandi K
That's the worst part.

17:45.16
Vance
It's a...

17:45.97
Nandi K
Disses that are bops are like the worst kind.

17:45.71
Vance
Bang her.

17:48.77
Vance
They not like us, like niggas twerking, niggas c-walking they ah this about you.

17:50.53
Nandi K
Yeah.

17:53.56
Vance
Devastating.

17:53.62
Nandi K
Yikes.

17:54.75
Vance
Um, he did, as Nandi mentioned, he did say, I fucked your wife. I fucked you right before the the track started.

18:00.09
Nandi K
Mhm.

18:01.17
Vance
Then the last thing he said.

18:01.47
Nandi K
Yeah.

18:03.60
Vance
It was an ad-lib. It's not even in the lyrics when you look them up. Don't one of you niggas have sickle cell or something? In the song he said it.

18:12.30
Nandi K
*gasp* Yo.

18:12.51
Vance
Immortalize. That is crazy.

18:15.56
Nandi K
This nigga is... And then like in one of the ones that Biggie does, he's like, I'll get my nigga to fuck you. Like. It's weird shit on both sides.

18:26.69
Vance
Yeah.

18:26.54
Nandi K
like

18:27.69
Vance
Yeah.

18:28.35
Nandi K
The sickle cell shit is unhinged.

18:28.70
Vance
Like. That.

18:30.54
Nandi K
That's like another level. like

18:32.56
Vance
it ain't you It ain't even Biggie. I didn't do nothing to you, nigga. I just got this... I just got this immunodeficiency.

18:38.07
Nandi K
Don't want one of you have they don't even know which one

18:38.48
Vance
Like, chill. One of y 'all. He didn't The name.

18:43.41
Nandi K
Damn, he said, ain't one of y 'all dying of an autoimmune disease?

18:45.76
Vance
He knows. He not the one.

18:47.93
Nandi K
He said, ain't one of y 'all the blood own blood attacking you?

18:50.24
Vance
sksksksks

18:50.97
Nandi K
Maybe you need to worry about that shit.

18:54.22
Vance
Yeah, so that that rap battle.

18:57.26
Nandi K
Man. I mean, that's probably like the most iconic of all time.

19:01.09
Vance
Yeah.

19:01.76
Nandi K
ah

19:01.86
Vance
Yeah.

19:02.61
Nandi K
Yeah, that's probably when they started calling it beefs. I don't really know, but I would guess that that's when the talk current ah the term...

19:07.99
Vance
Yeah.

19:11.36
Nandi K
Beef was coined. All right. My next one is Etta James and Beyonce. Yeah, so...

19:19.72
Vance
Ugh. Them damn divas, they evil.

19:22.00
Nandi K
Come on. The divas are wild. The light-skinned divas. is It gets...

19:25.97
Vance
Nasty.

19:27.02
Nandi K
It gets crazy.

19:27.44
Vance
Nasty.

19:28.82
Nandi K
But... In 2009. At the first Obama inauguration. Beyonce sang “At Last.

19:40.24
Vance
I recall.

19:40.66
Nandi K
Etta James said, quote I tell you, the woman he has singing for him, singing my song. She gonna get her ass whooped. She said that.

19:52.42
Nandi K
at a show in Seattle in January of 2009. I can't stand Beyonce. She had no business up there singing. my song that I've been singing forever.

20:03.94
Nandi K
She was not happy that the Obamas asked. Beyonce to sing at last. Now. Why did they ask Beyonce to sing at last? The year before Beyonce portrayed Etta James. in cadillac records i'm gonna say one of her best film performances the bar is pret- Tee-low.

20:26.10
Vance
It's love.

20:27.18
Nandi K
It is.

20:27.21
Vance
Yeah.

20:28.16
Nandi K
And I would say it's a hell. um But... I think it's one of her best performances because she mostly just like cries. Drinks.

20:39.29
Vance
Thanks.

20:39.49
Nandi K
And like sings real good.

20:39.51
Vance
sayings

20:41.34
Nandi K
Her cover of I Rather Go Blind, I think is one of the best covers that she's ever done. um But that's probably why they asked Beyonce to sing it because she had been singing it at last.

20:53.81
Nandi K
for a little and the while.

20:55.52
Vance
Yep.

20:55.96
Nandi K
um later Etta James did admit that she was feeling a little bit jealous. of Beyonce. And also she didn't really mean anything crazy by, you know, people also just be talking and like Black people, that bitch gonna get her ass whooped singing my song. that could just be like a joke and she was like i do feel like i meant it in jest but also

21:22.76
Nandi K
I was feeling left out of something that was basically mine. Now, the funny thing is that Etta James did not originate the song at last.

21:33.67
Nandi K
Um... She's like the third person. To cover it to sing it But her version is considered. the most.

21:42.25
Vance
The... the seminal version

21:43.26
Nandi K
iconic they definitely consider it like the version that embodies the lyrics the most and i agree with that i love etta james um but yeah i love when people hate beyonce because it's like so rare so when people be like publicly saying they hate beyonce i'd be like ooop! *bird giggles*

21:50.14
Vance
I agree.

21:55.31
Vance
That's great. ah Right.

22:01.17
Nandi K
yeah

22:01.88
Vance
you i think you I think you have to be like ah at a at a James level to survive it, right?

22:05.61
Nandi K
Yeah. Mm hmm.

22:07.60
Vance
Because what's that Keri Hilson wrote a diss track about, Beyonce?

22:11.35
Nandi K
Mmm.

22:12.21
Vance
and In my research for this episode, I saw it. I said, I'm going to leave this alone.

22:15.55
Nandi K
Hmm. mm-hmm

22:17.42
Vance
And then her career shortly ended.

22:19.74
Nandi K
Well, she blamed a lot of people

22:22.45
Vance
Oh.

22:22.35
Nandi K
for it. She said that she ain't even write it. that These other people wrote it and told her to sing it. I said, a girl, so you just do what people tell you. Got it.

22:30.41
Vance
and You should have read that room better sister Cuz pretty girl rock is a bop

22:33.56
Nandi K
I don't know why you thought you could. Yeah, but also no, it's not. Think about it. That song is stupid. don't hate me because I'm beautiful people don't hate you because you're beautiful they hate you because you're an arrogant bitch that's why they hate you. like i'm like i'm Pretty Girl Rock is like so shallow.

22:55.56
Nandi K
Every time I watch the video, sometimes the video comes on my little Samsung TV.

23:00.53
Vance
Yeah.

23:01.69
Nandi K
In the video, she's like... poorly cosplaying is all these like

23:06.19
Vance
TLC. Classic.

23:07.69
Nandi K
TLC, Janet Jackson. Diana Ross, i all these like who we would consider divas and iconic women. But these women...

23:18.21
Nandi K
are not just beautiful. And I thought that was pretty.

23:20.86
Vance
They're talented

23:24.52
Nandi K
derogatory to like as a Black woman, be like, yeah, don't hate me because I'm beautiful. Girl, that's not why they hate Diana Ross. They hate Diana Ross because she's a bitch.

23:35.86
Nandi K
That's why they hate her. like Guys, some people are just bitches. A lot of pretty people are bitches. I know. I'm, i'm a bitch.

23:46.54
Nandi K
Weeds out of the weak.

23:50.07
Nandi K
All right, who else you got?

23:51.69
Vance
All right. This is the fun one. So I got.

23:53.70
Nandi K
Okay.

23:54.66
Vance
The last one. Bobby Womack versus Sam Cooke.

23:58.30
Nandi K
YOOOOOO

23:59.19
Vance
Yeah.

24:00.27
Nandi K
One of the most iconic of iconic singing niggas.

24:05.85
Vance
Okay, so I said the reason for this is just the niggacity of ah Bobby Womack.

24:10.47
Nandi K
Mhm. mm-hmm

24:11.20
Vance
So this beef ain't even a beef with Sam Cooke per se.

24:15.73
Nandi K
Nope.

24:15.36
Vance
It's really a beef with like his estate, if you will, um and just his legacy. could like Bobby was moving nasty. So it starts Sam.

24:23.100
Nandi K
Extremely nasty.

24:25.30
Vance
Sam Cooke. Sign Bobby Womack and his brothers. to his label back in the day and he was essentially their mentor and sam and bobby were the closest some would even say i don't know about best friends but they were friends for sure

24:36.17
Nandi K
Yep.

24:40.01
Vance
When Sam died and he died under some raggedy shit to them niggas was walling out back then

24:44.95
Nandi K
ah put That was a plane crash. Sam Cooke died in a plane crash.

24:47.26
Vance
no i thought it was the murder i thought he got shot in the hotel

24:49.71
Nandi K
Oh. is that saying oh yeah i'm thinking of who sings charlotte i'm thinking of otis redding you're right Sam Cooke did get shot over a bitch.

24:56.25
Vance
Okay. Yeah, some wild shit.

24:59.89
Nandi K
Yeah.

25:00.28
Vance
So...

25:01.03
Nandi K
A bit shot on, yeah.

25:01.37
Vance
Bobby. Yes, a woman shot him out of a...

25:02.46
Nandi K
Yeah. Yeah.

25:03.93
Vance
but He was wilding something.

25:04.64
Nandi K
That he was maybe raping her, maybe.

25:06.16
Vance
Yes, yes, that was some fuck shit. So, the sound of these niggas was grimy. so Bobby not only showed up to this nigga's funeral wearing his suit, wearing wearing Sam's suit.

25:17.88
Vance
And then he eventually married Sam's wife.

25:21.33
Nandi K
Yep.

25:21.19
Vance
Miss Barbara.

25:22.91
Nandi K
Mm.

25:23.13
Vance
So. He was disowned by his own family after this. And then the Cook family...

25:26.95
Nandi K
Oh, Bobby Womack was?

25:28.49
Vance
Bobby, yeah, his family wasn't fucking with him.

25:29.37
Nandi K
*gay gasp*

25:30.64
Vance
So the Cook family put a... they i when I put a hit. That's a little extreme. They just said, if you come to Chicago, it's up.

25:35.59
Nandi K
Sure.

25:39.26
Nandi K
All right.

25:39.44
Vance
Bobby because he

25:40.29
Nandi K
Oh, sorry.

25:41.30
Vance
is a YN reckless person.

25:42.31
Nandi K
Yep. He is.

25:44.20
Vance
He goes to Chicago with Barbara. And he calls. Sam Cooke's brother that said this he said pull up And he sent them the address to the hotel.

25:54.68
Nandi K
gasp

25:55.71
Vance
It was real serious because Miss Barbara was at the hotel loading up the blicky. Like they was ready so then Bobby said Bobby said he could not live under the gun like this, even though all he had to do was stay out of Chicago.

26:09.79
Vance
so And Bobby's...

26:10.97
Nandi K
did he live in chicago it sounds like right i'm like what do you mean you can't live under the gun didn't you just put yourself under the you took the gun and said no over here and then said oh i can't be under the gun

26:12.50
Vance
No! No. Okay. Yup. Yep, brought the gun. Yup.

26:22.99
Vance
but Yup. So he goes to Chicago, calls this nigga up. And. the Sam Cooke had more than one brother. So the brothers pulled up.

26:31.70
Nandi K
Oh no.

26:33.22
Vance
Bobby said he couldn't even get the door open before them niggas was on his ass.

26:38.61
Nandi K
oop!

26:39.62
Vance
And then he said, hold on, he brought two brothers, so it was three of them total. One of them was named LC. You know that nigga got heads. So... ah they they beat his ass like they bust his head open they whooped his ass so um

26:49.52
Nandi K
Yikes. I know they did. I know they did.

26:54.84
Vance
Barbara was about that life. Barbara had the blicky sheep. Point it and pull the trigger. Nothing happened because... Bobby ain't got no sense, but he had good enough sense to unload the gun when Miss Barbara went to the bathroom because I think he didn't want to.

27:09.33
Nandi K
Because she would have shot him.

27:11.10
Vance
She was going to kill one of them niggas. This is crazy, right? So nobody dies. Bobby gets his ass whooped. The brothers leave. They called the cops. The cops was like, damn bro. They got you they got you good.

27:20.52
Nandi K
That's crazy.

27:23.30
Vance
So they were like, they're going to go arrest them. I don't know what happened there. Then Barbara and Bobby broke up because this nigga Bobby was fucking the daughter.

27:34.30
Nandi K
Yes.

27:34.30
Vance
who was 17 years old.

27:36.12
Nandi K
Yep.

27:37.06
Vance
Linda. Linda Cooke. So it gets worse, Nandi. They divorced. Bobby tried to get back with Linda. Linda was like, nigga, if you don't get up out of here.

27:48.27
Vance
But your brother he cute She ended up marrying... His brother. they are in a trio, our duo. So they started singing together. It's called Womack and Womack is the group.

28:00.34
Vance
They got some bangers and they got.

28:00.73
Nandi K
Mm hmm. No, I know Womack and Womack.

28:03.43
Vance
Seven kids together, and that's how it ends.

28:07.86
Nandi K
Wow.

28:09.76
Vance
Nandi, I was flabbergasted. that I thought that...

28:11.32
Nandi K
I didn't realize the daughter married his brother the the the daughter mary his brother after.

28:14.45
Vance
Yup. Yup. Linda. Linda Womack, but yeah, Linda Cooke.

28:22.67
Nandi K
GASP.

28:23.40
Vance
Right? I said it got worse.

28:25.67
Nandi K
These niggas, my God. My God.

28:29.64
Vance
I said... The niggacity is what I wrote down.

28:32.21
Nandi K
Yeah! Woo! damn i was in shock that whole time i know this story but these it was definitely some details i had not heard

28:39.23
Vance
Yeah.

28:43.01
Nandi K
Um.

28:43.33
Vance
Crazy.

28:43.100
Nandi K
I knew about showing up in a dead man's suit is... Such bad luck.

28:49.29
Vance
Evil.

28:50.37
Nandi K
It's not good luck for you.

28:52.34
Vance
He...

28:52.53
Nandi K
like

28:53.01
Vance
What did that nigga do to you?

28:53.51
Nandi K
It's a curse.

28:55.26
Vance
You hated him? Like what are you doing?

28:56.15
Nandi K
You cursed yourself so bad. like This is like cursing yourself.

29:01.76
Vance
I'm surprised nobody got killed at that hotel. Between Bobby getting his ass whooped and then his dumb ass having his wife right there with the gun, with the blicky.

29:11.60
Nandi K
Whoa. Wow. Niggas be really niggin'.

29:14.62
Vance
Look.

29:14.80
Nandi K
All right, my last one. Iconic. Mariah Carey and Jennifer Lopez. I could not. I could not let this a go by is I love Mariah Carey.

29:31.78
Nandi K
She's that girl. and Yeah, this is like such a fun beef to me because it's kind of one sided. There isn't really. a true beef.

29:43.86
Vance
Yeah.

29:44.20
Nandi K
Between them, per se, it's just a lot of mess. so Basically, Mariah Carey, when she was very young, when she's first coming out. is married to Tommy Mottola. who is the record executive at Sony Music.

30:00.71
Nandi K
He is like big in charge of her career. But when they divorced. which he was stalking her. He was abusive. She wasn't allowed to talk to people. He basically starts to like try to sabotage her career.

30:16.01
Nandi K
How does he start doing that? He has this new artist. that... He starts steal- taking records. that Mariah wanted and giving them to this new artist.

30:30.51
Nandi K
Who is this new artist? It's Jennifer. lopez And we know that that bitch don't even sing.

30:39.02
Vance
Right. Right.

30:39.86
Nandi K
So.

30:39.90
Vance
like-

30:41.33
Nandi K
Yeah.

30:41.68
Vance
They don't do the same thing

30:41.64
Nandi K
Yeah. They don't. yeah so the first big instance of this is when mariah carey is working on the movie glitter and the soundtrack to glitter which

30:44.35
Vance
um

30:53.39
Nandi K
Most people know that after that, Mariah had like a mental breakdown after Glitter. And people considered the movie a flop, even though the movie is honestly super iconic.

31:03.41
Vance
Solid.

31:05.16
Nandi K
and the Music is even more iconic. So when she's doing glitter. She has secured a sample for this song.

31:15.46
Nandi K
for like a song, she had reached out to the band in Japan or wherever and said, can we sample this? They said, yes. After she got off the phone with them.

31:25.78
Nandi K
Tommy Mottola called them and said, I want the sample. So he paid more than her. Stole the sample. and gave it to JLo for, I can't remember what song it ended up being, but.

31:42.53
Nandi K
i mean Mariah had to like quick pivot. And so what Mariah did was... Sample Candy by Cameo. Super dope. I mean,*sings* that's like candy.

31:51.98
Vance
Mm hmm.

31:54.71
Nandi K
*singing* I can feel it when you walk. Anyway, so she sampled that and they that song ended up becoming Loverboy, which is like. which was the top-selling single of that year.

32:08.04
Nandi K
Um. After that...

32:14.12
Nandi K
He. found out that Mariah and Ja Rule were about to do a song together. And so he called Irv Gotti. And said, oh.

32:25.28
Nandi K
I want to get JLo. on a song. with Ja Rule, that collaboration. ends up being, I'm real as we know.

32:33.05
Vance
Mm hmm.

32:34.24
Nandi K
That's Ashanti singing. It's not even. JLo singing at all. um She's singing over the top of it, but it's mostly Ashanti's vocals.

32:45.79
Nandi K
So um when I was doing research for this, I saw a few things that Mariah said, and she said this in her book.

32:45.67
Vance
Yeah.

32:51.53
Nandi K
She was like... I don't think there's anything like between us. It was definitely like Tommy, but... Also, I don't know her Like I really don't know this bitch.

33:05.76
Vance
Uh huh.

33:06.36
Nandi K
And people get mad. They're like, clearly you know her. Yeah, I know who she is.

33:11.80
Vance
I know who she is

33:12.80
Nandi K
Yeah, and so Mariah has often clarified, I know who she is.

33:12.88
Vance
Yeah.

33:16.56
Vance
Of course.

33:16.82
Nandi K
I don't. know her. We don't know each other. And Mariah, I mean, JLo swears they've met like multiple times or whatever, but JLo is a fucking psychopath.

33:20.15
Vance
Right

33:25.58
Nandi K
and a

33:26.55
Vance
They're probably both telling the truth. Mariah is like, I saw her for sure. i don't like Who is that?

33:32.44
Nandi K
Right. And JLo is trying to make herself more important, put herself.

33:34.72
Vance
*niggling*

33:37.92
Nandi K
closer to a star, a real star. and, and, And no shade to J-Lo. JLo is a star in a lot of ways. She's a great actress, I think. I really like JLo's acting, I think.

33:51.35
Vance
A lot of people don't, but I think enough. is my

33:54.60
Nandi K
Enough is so good.

33:55.31
Vance
Doesn't matter. That's my movie. That's a lot.

33:57.76
Nandi K
Bitch, I used to love Maid in Manhattan. I used to love Monster-In-Law. I loved a lot of movies that J-Lo was in.

34:03.89
Vance
um She's a charming Italian.

34:07.10
Nandi K
Bye.

34:07.39
Vance
She's a charming white Italian woman.

34:09.37
Nandi K
Bye. My God. Yeah, so those are our beefs. Did you have any honorable mentions of these?

34:17.05
Vance
Oh, I sure did for this one. so I got. Barry Gordon versus Motown.

34:23.70
Nandi K
Barry Gordy.

34:25.27
Vance
I'm sorry. I put Gordon, but yeah, I meant Gordy.

34:27.45
Nandi K
That's so Black.

34:29.04
Aaron Rand Freeman
yeah

34:29.68
Nandi K
Black people have such interesting suffixes and like... I was calling saying somebody else's name wrong. Because I was adding a S or something.

34:39.92
Vance
We love.

34:39.68
Nandi K
Oh, I was talking about Dawn Richards from... Um... She was in Danity Kane.

34:46.76
Vance
Uh, oh, yeah.

34:46.94
Nandi K
But her name is actually Dawn Richard. I was like, Dawn Richards? No, that's not her name.

34:53.58
Vance
We gonna pluralize somebody's name

34:55.48
Nandi K
Absolutely.

34:55.83
Vance
Uh...

34:56.70
Nandi K
Peace.

34:57.02
Vance
50 Cent versus Everybody.

34:59.23
Nandi K
Of course.

35:00.01
Vance
Um, Wendy Williams versus of Whitney Houston's on here.

35:02.18
Nandi K
Of course, that was on mine too.

35:02.93
Vance
And then. This one. This has been mostly black folk, but I must put this, because we will never forget this ugly nigga. Justin Timberlake versus the black community.

35:14.27
Vance
I...

35:14.26
Nandi K
Ooh, still going.

35:14.75
Vance
Love. I love how we done 10 toes down. Like don't come back.

35:19.10
Nandi K
Yeah, we hate him. Nah, he tried to come back.

35:20.16
Vance
Don't come back.

35:21.18
Nandi K
We said no thank you.

35:22.19
Vance
Nope. Sing your man in the woods songs.

35:24.32
Nandi K
Yeah, go ahead and go back to that. Yeah, my honorable mentions, I have Whitney versus Wendy Williams.

35:31.39
Vance
Mm-hmm

35:31.40
Nandi K
I also had Cardi B and Nicki Minaj.

35:33.90
Vance
Oh that's a good one.

35:35.30
Nandi K
um Yeah. Quincy Jones versus the Beatles. He hated them. There's documented evidence of him saying these niggas didn't know how to play. They couldn't sing. These niggas wasn't.

35:46.16
Nandi K
They was trash. They played like fucking trash. None of them were good when I met them. I love that.

35:51.48
Vance
Love that.

35:52.39
Nandi K
And then, of course, Kendrick versus Drake. It's so recent but because it's recent.

35:55.37
Vance
Oh duh. Yeah.

35:58.16
Nandi K
it's a It was an honorable mention. Obviously, that's fresh in our minds. but I love seeing light-skinned biracials get packed up.

36:05.57
Vance
Listen.

36:06.18
Nandi K
Stick to singing. White boy.

36:07.87
Vance
Get up! Get them out of here. um Who was ah Remy Ma going up? at Was that Cardi?

36:15.28
Nandi K
That was Azalea Banks and Nicki Minaj as well.

36:17.29
Vance
Was that? Nikki.

36:18.35
Nandi K
as it Nicki Minaj.

36:19.40
Vance
Nikki.

36:19.48
Nandi K
It was Nicki Minaj.

36:20.61
Vance
Oh, because she hates women.

36:20.68
Nandi K
Yeah.

36:22.29
Vance
she hates She hates women rappers.

36:23.25
Nandi K
Yeah.

36:24.91
Vance
Yeah, no. The Remy Ma song against Nicki Minaj.

36:27.69
Nandi K
Yeah. that shit was crazy i remember when that came out

36:29.05
Vance
Dubbed. Devastating. Devastating

36:32.17
Nandi K
Yeah, damn. imma go It's like nine minutes. I'm going to go listen to that after this.

36:35.43
Vance
Oh. Oh, honorable mention, Drake Bush versus Pusha T.

36:39.78
Nandi K
OOOH You're hiding a child.

36:41.78
Vance
You're hiding a child.

36:42.35
Nandi K
You're hiding a son. *screams*

36:43.85
Vance
and

36:43.96
Nandi K
You're hiding a son.

36:46.17
Vance
Devastating. and We were like, where is this?

36:48.02
Nandi K
Then he had to show us his son.

36:50.70
Vance
now Now we know who that son is. It's crazy.

36:53.67
Nandi K
we He had to show us his sign. they Pusha! Made this nigga.

37:00.11
Vance
Be a father.

37:00.28
Nandi K
He was gonna be a deadbeat. Yes, he was not gonna show up for that child.

37:03.39
Vance
He made him. He made him be a father

37:06.18
Nandi K
And Pusha made him.

37:11.11
Nandi K
Honestly? We live.

37:13.64
Vance
Look, come on.

37:15.02
Nandi K
We live. Ugh.

37:16.42
Vance
and so many So many bad things have happened since that beef that we almost forget.

37:20.26
Nandi K
For sure.

37:21.35
Vance
But the you're hiding a child.

37:23.87
Nandi K
Ugh.

37:25.00
Vance
Like... Devastating. that's Put that put just put that quote in a time capsule

37:29.64
Nandi K
I would hate to have a baby that somebody didn't know about and then I've exposed.

37:35.13
Vance
Right, because Oh yeah.

37:37.02
Nandi K
Ugh.

37:38.97
Vance
Dang

37:39.27
Nandi K
oh shit damn no i am in arrears on child support no i don't pay i hate my baby mama like oh my god Yeah, no.

37:44.32
Vance
Mmm. o Hey, little white baby.

37:49.39
Nandi K
That was a great. That's like also one of the kind of like more recent. There's not as many beasts as there used to be.

37:55.70
Vance
Yeah.

37:56.66
Nandi K
Yeah.

37:56.69
Vance
I wish. Do I want more? I don't know

37:59.16
Nandi K
Kendrick is the only one who likes the sport of it everybody else gets too upset

38:01.83
Vance
Oh, he... But it's something else. back Like, whatever...

38:06.66
Nandi K
no like he was having fun think about think about it like because the whole kendrick and drake beef like drake

38:07.51
Vance
whatever

38:14.25
Nandi K
Kinda was hating on Kendrick from the get-go.

38:17.65
Vance
Oh, I mean, Drake, I believe he started it and then it was like, oh, let's go.

38:18.34
Nandi K
But...

38:22.39
Nandi K
Yeah, but then Kendrick did that verse on Control, the Big Sean song, and he basically was like...

38:27.31
Vance
Yeah.

38:30.16
Nandi K
Fuck J. Cole, fuck Drake. He was like, fuck all the niggas on this song. I'm the fucking king. But it was like good sport. It was like.

38:40.68
Nandi K
And it should have sparked like a bunch of like responses.

38:44.65
Vance
Right.

38:44.99
Nandi K
but it seems like Drake was just like sulking. getting a pill addiction. Getting lipo abs.

38:51.56
Vance
BBLs BBLs. Yeah

38:53.40
Nandi K
Getting a BBL. Getting braids.

38:55.17
Vance
carved out. Harbed out. With barrettes.

38:58.01
Nandi K
Again. With barrettes. Yeah.

39:00.87
Vance
Oof.

39:01.53
Nandi K
So that's what he was doing. is said

39:03.54
Vance
but Kendrick like one of them niggas of like you punch somebody and like they look at the blood and they smile or something and it's like

39:09.80
Nandi K
Yeah, he's a Gemini Yeah, you shouldn't do that.

39:11.15
Vance
Don't fight him.

39:12.55
Nandi K
yeah you shouldn't and get you shouldn't be like

39:12.59
Vance
Don't fight him.

39:15.33
Nandi K
You don't know who you're going to meet when you, eat and Kendrick said, keep it cute.

39:17.02
Vance
Right.

39:19.16
Nandi K
Like we can keep it so cute.

39:19.72
Vance
Right. riot He said it.

39:20.87
Nandi K
And Drake said, no, let's go crazy.

39:23.90
Vance
Okay.

39:24.15
Nandi K
And he said, okay, let's go crazy.

39:24.58
Vance
No.

39:25.69
Nandi K
What about your daughter, bitch?

39:26.16
Vance
Now you dead. Now you...

39:27.69
Nandi K
And also, your son's gonna think you're a bitch. And here's my song to him.

39:32.62
Vance
we've been We have not stopped c-walking to not like us in ah LA. like I'm over it at this point, but we have not. If you put it on right now, I'll start c-walking.

39:41.55
Nandi K
Same.

39:41.97
Vance
Um, it's It's just. And because of the message, we hate this light-skinned man.

39:44.66
Nandi K
Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. Mm-mm-mm.

39:48.50
Vance
This evil bye-Rachel.

39:48.40
Nandi K
I... I definitely subscribe to that. that's

39:52.29
Vance
I'll do a backflip

39:53.40
Nandi K
That's public policy. Put that into policy. Put that in the policy. ah This episode is sponsored by Big Beefs. Choose a rival. Choose a nemesis today.

40:05.58
Vance
Kill him.

40:07.36
Nandi K
Big thanks to our producer and audio Adonis Aaron Rand Freeman.

40:11.64
Vance
I've been Vance Gowe. You can find me at SirLancethaw at... threads and instagram where can we find you

40:19.31
Nandi K
And I'm Nandi K. You can find me on Instagram, threads, and blue sky at Nandi K-A-Y-Y-Y. See y 'all.

40:26.06
Vance
See ya.