00:00.06
Talal K
And... It was an experience. We had a lot of people in there.

00:04.92
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:04.91
Talal K
Had a nice time

00:07.02
alexei sayle
Yeah, I met somebody outside the pub yesterday. I really enjoyed it.

00:10.54
Talal K
Oh.

00:15.46
Talal K
we can talk about in a second it's episode 138 whenever you're ready

00:18.20
alexei sayle
Alright.

00:22.22
alexei sayle
Hello everybody, welcome to ab episode 138 of the Alexi Sale podcast. And... um Yeah, the last one was Diane Morgan at the...

00:33.27
alexei sayle
at the roundhouse, which was a lot of fun. Met a guy outside the pub last night. Been there, said he really enjoyed it. Uh... one of the comments i noticed in youtube said you you guys really do need to have a plan It was.

00:47.93
Talal K
They don't know us at all.

00:48.27
alexei sayle
and i think diane sort of took over a bit really because i didn't really have any kind of plan which was i think they're probably right really it's a reasonable It's a reasonable criticism that... um Uh...

01:01.12
alexei sayle
That... um you know i should have probably prepared something really which is a a good uh a good note for future live podcasts i mean i think that is one of the problems with live podcasts really is you know whereas this is obviously you know just a free free rolling conversation doesn't need any kind of preparation And it's all the better for it, really.

01:23.82
alexei sayle
um Uh... you know live things need a bit more planning really i think

01:29.82
Talal K
Yeah, if you say so.

01:31.40
alexei sayle
Yeah, that felt like I did feel like you know we got out there in front of eight nine hundred people and and I haven't thought of anything to say.

01:39.99
Talal K
Shame on us.

01:41.41
alexei sayle
Yeah. pair another of the comments did also say noted my diplomatic silence when she mentioned Ricky Gervais and

01:50.23
Talal K
Yes. Both of us, I think.

01:51.89
alexei sayle
Yeah, I can't say you know Amen. He did do one incredible thing as well, which was... the The office is just everything else since has been.

02:01.01
Talal K
I thought you want to say leaving the UK.

02:03.61
alexei sayle
As you left the UK?

02:04.92
Talal K
I don't know, I'm guessing he lives in Hollywood

02:05.93
alexei sayle
No, he hasn't. He lives in Amsterdam.

02:07.61
Talal K
Alright.

02:08.77
alexei sayle
in a very beige kind of house. pink beige house. And I suppose he's good to animals. Um, But yes, I maintain that.

02:18.97
Talal K
People who are followers of the show commented. that they really liked. the It's kind of... chart I don't know how long the charm lasts but there is a charm to it of us.

02:29.63
Talal K
completely being You know on our toes up there not having anything any talking points

02:34.90
alexei sayle
Oh, they liked that, did they? Right. Okay.

02:37.19
Talal K
Someone said Diane sounded prickly. She wasn't. She she loved it.

02:40.21
alexei sayle
No, not at all No.

02:41.22
Talal K
That's just how she talks.

02:44.11
alexei sayle
Yeah.

02:45.31
Talal K
Um, But yeah, I think. i think if we have a big guest in a big venue maybe some bullet points might be useful

02:53.99
alexei sayle
Might be an idea. Yeah. Yeah.

02:58.02
Talal K
but thanks everyone any new listeners because of that because you know that got a ah lot of

02:58.38
alexei sayle
I...

03:02.86
Talal K
listens. That episode.

03:06.19
alexei sayle
Yeah.

03:06.31
Talal K
So any new listeners, welcome.

03:08.23
alexei sayle
Yes, welcome indeed. Are you stuck with this yet?

03:09.91
Talal K
To the Alexis L podcast.

03:11.98
alexei sayle
Well, the last two, for some reason, got a lot of listeners in here.

03:12.06
Talal K
I'm Talal.

03:14.60
alexei sayle
The last one was just... I was talking about that got seven.

03:18.48
Talal K
I wonder if, yeah, your book and you you going on various media platforms promoting the book has...

03:20.73
alexei sayle
Yeah, could be, yeah.

03:24.11
Talal K
brought new attention.

03:25.20
alexei sayle
Yes, I had my own triumphal launch.

03:25.75
Talal K
because

03:29.84
alexei sayle
Um, Let the Royal Geographical Society in. Um,

03:34.44
Talal K
How did that go?

03:35.67
alexei sayle
Yeah, it went very well. Yeah, we sold 138 books, I think. Obviously it was sold out. its but 750 people. um Yeah, Owen Jones was great. I mean, he done he'd done it.

03:48.19
alexei sayle
preparation. As an interviewer, he'd worked out, you know.

03:51.58
Talal K
ah That's the only joke. So it wasn't Robin Ince in the end.

03:54.80
alexei sayle
No, it was always going to be Owen Jones for London. Robin, I think, is supposed to be doing some of the out of town. Although we're having difficulty pinning him down.

04:00.87
Talal K
oh

04:02.87
alexei sayle
But yeah, so yeah, weve vote for various reasons, but the the rest of the dates. the fine dates are... In October. um ah and i've got some ah i've got some literary festivals as well and we'll see how you know its It's the the publicity toast. slightly skew whiff but uh That's beyond our control already.

04:30.40
alexei sayle
Um,

04:30.62
Talal K
Can I ask how your relationship with Owen Jones was? Like, because we haven't...

04:34.32
alexei sayle
It was fine we because we met. you know i agree yeah much Somebody reminded me, i we talk about this, that we had a spiky... All right.

04:43.35
Talal K
Yes, you you we you went on his show.

04:46.47
alexei sayle
Yeah.

04:46.56
Talal K
a few years ago.

04:48.20
alexei sayle
Mm-hmm

04:48.86
Talal K
And there was a... disagreement ah regarding the jeremy corbyn affair but since then he's

04:53.64
alexei sayle
Hmm.

04:55.79
Talal K
He's, you know, he's...

04:56.06
alexei sayle
He said he was strong, yeah. That's right, actually.

04:58.52
Talal K
Oh, yeah, and he's been very good on Palestine as well since then.

05:01.10
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah. No, he was great. He was really good, very funny, very professional, you know. Um, Yeah, he's fine.

05:08.74
Talal K
And respectful and nice to you, yes?

05:10.63
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah, it was a very funny show.

05:11.66
Talal K
Okay good.

05:13.37
alexei sayle
A lot of laughs.

05:17.30
alexei sayle
Yeah, he was perfect

05:17.40
Talal K
Good to hear.

05:18.61
alexei sayle
Yeah.

05:18.95
Talal K
So that was the day before I. flew off. to France on me holiday

05:24.40
alexei sayle
m

05:25.47
Talal K
And I think it was also. Around the same time that Ed Miller Band came out and... Finally... put some sanctions on Israel.

05:38.60
alexei sayle
Yeah.

05:39.28
Talal K
banning any goods from the

05:42.03
alexei sayle
I suppose they ban any goods from this from settlements in the Occupied.

05:41.80
Talal K
illegally occupied territories.

05:46.12
alexei sayle
West Bank, yeah.

05:47.38
Talal K
And that's like two weeks ago. It feels like...

05:49.01
alexei sayle
Mm hmm.

05:49.27
Talal K
an age ago.

05:51.02
alexei sayle
Mm hmm.

05:51.22
Talal K
But I think Andy Burnham has been a bit more vocal on the topic.

05:54.02
alexei sayle
Mm hmm.

05:53.75
Talal K
And there's obviously Ed Miliband has been grilled on various news outlets about his decision. and smears of antisemitism and all that and alexi i want to ask you your hot take on all of that if if you still have any energy for the topic after these two weeks

06:07.66
alexei sayle
Thank you, too.

06:10.60
alexei sayle
yeah Yeah, well, I think, I mean, first of all... Um. Venom. but Well, I mean, Starmer wouldn't have gone, I suppose, and Burnham wouldn't be in place, and Miliband wouldn't be.

06:23.37
alexei sayle
um foreign secretary if it wasn't for the greens really the rise of the greens and their Much more. moral. Zach's much more moral stance on...

06:36.93
alexei sayle
The genocide in... Gaza and the nature of the Israeli state so

06:42.03
Talal K
Hmm.

06:43.67
alexei sayle
um You know, this isn't happening because they... wanted to happen they've been forced into this doing this by You know, it's not it's not entirely it's it's sincere, but the the whole...

06:56.05
alexei sayle
defenestration of Starmer and the yeah the the ben Yeah, the insertion of Burnham and then... miniband which you you know But, I mean, Billy Band's test quite clearly. He's a supporter. He's a Zionist. He's a supporter of Israel. so I don't know how far he is.

07:17.27
alexei sayle
criticism of that state or his actions against that state will last. or it's It is. to a degree, cosmetic, I think. And, that yeah, people... admit that. um It's, you know, that it's difficult it'll be difficult to police and it's it's it's it's largely symbolic. this Now whether or not this...

07:37.06
Talal K
e

07:39.67
alexei sayle
Um,

07:42.88
alexei sayle
You know, it it does feed into the gradual and gradual isolation diplomatically. um of Israel and that that may

07:54.80
alexei sayle
Lead somewhere. But, you know. It. yeah in a sense these all these While welcome, these moves are not entirely sincere. Yeah.

08:07.43
alexei sayle
I would say about that.

08:09.77
Talal K
It's the idea that in the upcoming Israeli elections... Citizens there are going to feel the strain on their purses if more. People boycott more countries boycotts

08:20.50
alexei sayle
Well, I don't think a boy could.

08:21.58
Talal K
That goods

08:22.07
alexei sayle
Yeah. produce from the the Legos. settlements is going to make any difference. that peoples.

08:29.14
Talal K
No.

08:30.28
alexei sayle
Well, it's in Israel. I mean, if Netanyahu loses, yeah, I mean, there's a... There's a concerted attempt, I think, to you know buy a lot of elements in our media and polity.

08:41.38
alexei sayle
to you know say this is all you know just a few. rotten apples you know this is Netanyahu and Ben-Gurion, Smotrich. But the fact is that... you know all of israel is pretty much united on this project of genocide and apartheid. and

08:58.23
Talal K
Yeah, many of them activeate active participants in it as well.

09:01.29
alexei sayle
Yeah. And so, again, you may... you may if but Netanyahu goes. Yes, indeed. yeah If Netanyahu goes, then yeah they may try and, again, control. construct another fiction which is it was all his fault and you know everything's Kind of fine now. I mean, I just, I expect nothing to.

09:23.07
alexei sayle
materially change there may be you know I suppose they may. a little more food may get in into Gaza. Yeah. It's largely I'm not. i don't i'm not really Believe in it. but But on the other hand, I have to say, a lot of you know certain people, not all of them.

09:40.21
alexei sayle
Um, Seamless Stalinists like me. Um. We're very excited by it, you know. Not all of them are.

09:52.19
alexei sayle
Yeah, I mean some of them are you know sincere supporters past i don't think it is ah it was a big deal so you know We'll see.

10:00.68
Talal K
It's a fucking huge shift. to being completely in denial of any wrongdoings by Israel. you know.

10:05.78
alexei sayle
Yeah.

10:08.13
Talal K
It...

10:08.27
alexei sayle
I guess, yeah, so that's opening the floodgates to even, you know, to...

10:08.22
Talal K
will be

10:13.23
alexei sayle
The gradual. you know that the the uh making it into more of a pariah state and in the end it's you know

10:19.60
Talal K
Yeah. just normalizing.

10:20.80
alexei sayle
a one-state solution but you know milliband clings to that two-state solution which again is it

10:24.94
Talal K
Yeah.

10:26.16
alexei sayle
is a hollow of fiction, you know.

10:27.75
Talal K
Does wind me up. Yeah It's never. It's not possible. it not feasible.

10:33.08
alexei sayle
No. No, it's impossible.

10:35.75
Talal K
You need one country where everyone has equal rights.

10:36.17
alexei sayle
one

10:38.38
Talal K
and that's it and and you need justice and and everyone you know anyone who's been displaced to be allowed to return and justice for any wrongdoings

10:39.37
alexei sayle
Yep.

10:42.46
alexei sayle
You know. Yep. Yeah, and a hell of a Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

10:46.75
Talal K
And then...

10:48.56
alexei sayle
Yeah. So we'll see. That uh, yeah. but of course god was was that your that was that just your first question you said you had a range of questions

11:00.62
Talal K
Yeah, well, Douglas on... Our Patreon chat asks. I would love to hear Alexi's thoughts on... The Macklemore, Ed Sheeran Strife. The Kraft family.

11:12.52
Talal K
How do we turn this around? What do you reckon?

11:14.74
alexei sayle
Well, I mean, I was very impressed with... um you know, his support band and all the support on his tour, you know. Took a financial hit by...

11:24.83
Talal K
Yeah.

11:24.57
alexei sayle
And, you know, risk their careers by withdrawing from Ed Sheeran's... So, you know, I think that was very brave of them. many I think musicians have been... I mean, come I don't know about comedians in the States. I think the comedian movement in in Britain has still been, a lot has been too silent on this. really Um...

11:45.53
Talal K
Yeah, weirdly apart from SNL UK.

11:46.04
alexei sayle
Apart from notable exceptions. They were good on it. when I didn't see it, but... They did a good piece, yeah.

11:53.24
Talal K
Yeah, they were pretty good. And on previous Palestine issues, they've been very good.

11:57.03
alexei sayle
No goods? All right.

11:57.80
Talal K
I think they could have been stronger on the Ed Sheeran thing. but

12:00.43
alexei sayle
Right.

12:01.89
Talal K
Um...

12:02.32
alexei sayle
No, we're good for them. Well, you know, the wind has changed, you know, I mean, it's... It's symptomatic of an absolute rejection of Israel by... the majority of people in Britain and the United States, you know Even in the United States, I think it's 64 % of people say.

12:21.01
alexei sayle
They sympathize more with the Palestinians than with Israel, and it's a very small number. 19 percent of some of you sympathize you know i mean then unfortunately this is And this is one of the problems with our politics. This is not reflected in in our politics. In the United States, too many of them.

12:37.57
alexei sayle
democratic. censors and congress people are. bought and paid for by Israel and the same in a different way is is true here so it's it's uh You know, you need to... It's a, you know, you...

12:53.67
alexei sayle
That rejection of Israel and, of you know, of therefore of of neoliberalism and neocolonialism in general. Unfortunately it doesn't. find a reflection in politics really.

13:07.27
alexei sayle
but um Yeah. Uh... i mean and then that that um Amen. where you know, where where I live, Holborn and St. Bancras, that is being fought out.

13:21.90
alexei sayle
in various ways that Zach Palance is standing here for MP. I think he's got a... uphill battle mode. I mean, apparently I mean, Linda.

13:32.73
alexei sayle
Linda was in the lake probably five years and encountered South Gal. Abdiwali is the... Labour candidate and you know she she has all the

13:40.18
Talal K
Yes.

13:42.66
alexei sayle
She has all the flaws of... the right wing of the Labour Party you control, really the Labour Party. in this borough you know she's um You know, there's a...

13:54.11
alexei sayle
Is it?

13:54.10
Talal K
oh It'll be so embarrassing for Zach if he loses.

13:58.45
alexei sayle
Well, I think he's, yeah, I mean, I don't know what the thinking was.

13:59.75
Talal K
he's gonna lose a lot of

14:01.80
alexei sayle
Yeah.

14:01.75
Talal K
he'll lose a lot of cred really won't he

14:02.05
alexei sayle
i think I think so. I think i mean my... Um, My guess, I mean, again, I'm no syphologist. But I think...

14:14.80
alexei sayle
Yeah, there's a very good chance for him to lose. In the book, he's upset. Got him losing. I mean, she's awful. She's awful. you know so Fucking star, man, fucking... Achalade.

14:26.51
alexei sayle
But um yeah the Party machine is... quite effective here. And. I think I don't know how he'll spin it if he doesn't.

14:38.25
alexei sayle
It doesn't seem to be taking a chance right now. I don't know what. what he was we know what the thinking is. Um... Taking this gamble already.

14:50.13
Talal K
8th of October.

14:50.54
alexei sayle
Boop. Yeah, but certainly, of course, if you live in Hobart and St Pancras and you do believe in...

14:52.82
Talal K
Let's go.

14:57.07
alexei sayle
you know, justice for the Palestinian people and then to the Israeli genocide, you should vote for Zach Polanski. and it's

15:03.71
Talal K
I fucking...

15:05.11
alexei sayle
also slightly annoying that um George Galloway is standing here. I know probably some people on.

15:10.30
Talal K
Yeah, I just remembered.

15:12.52
alexei sayle
Some people on this podcast.

15:12.59
Talal K
They threw his fedora in the ring.

15:15.04
alexei sayle
Yeah. um and as a consequence of Galloway, George. and Uh... Uh... this Chris Williams. who was deputy leader of the workers party has resigned because he just sees it as a It's got to be Ben. um you know A spoiler, really.

15:33.88
alexei sayle
You're going to take votes from Polanski.

15:36.05
Talal K
Hmm.

15:36.45
alexei sayle
I think Chris is a very decent man, really. as somebody i and he corresponds with Linda quite a lot. Or sometimes. um He's a very... decent moral man, a working class man who...

15:49.74
alexei sayle
you know. all his life been in politics also you know vegan i think ah from a kind of standpoint and morality And, yeah, I think he was very upset by Galloway.

16:01.91
alexei sayle
Galloway's narcissism, really. yeah propelling them to sound but you know that I think particularly some, ah as I read, some of our older Muslims will. Yeah, she got away as an ally and well and that will... that will drain our votes from.

16:17.45
alexei sayle
Polanski I think it's um

16:21.52
alexei sayle
It's uh... It's mistaken. You should withdraw already.

16:28.48
alexei sayle
Yeah.

16:29.31
Talal K
you think you should go as far as to withdraw

16:32.34
alexei sayle
Well, yeah. Well, he shouldn't have done it in the first place, but he shouldn't.

16:34.67
Talal K
Oh George Galloway.

16:35.91
alexei sayle
Galloway, no. Zach.

16:37.20
Talal K
yap yap yap yap

16:38.59
alexei sayle
And they I mean, they i mean they there is a very... Yeah, the... Greens are certainly flooding the area with... uh your leaflets when we get leaf green leaflets through our toe

16:51.86
Talal K
Okay.

16:52.32
alexei sayle
most days and you know we've had one canvasser round

16:57.08
Talal K
Okay.

16:57.46
alexei sayle
Um, and then i mean linda said i mean i didn't answer linda spoke to him i mean she said which I think is reasonable that you know we have questions about. you know, um Zach's Precise.

17:11.63
alexei sayle
attitudes towards zionism i mean it's clearly that he's he's trying to there's this motion before the Green Conference. Um... Yes.

17:20.52
Talal K
Explain that please.

17:22.47
alexei sayle
Well, there's a motion before the Green Conference. which says, and it's the number one motion. Says Zionism equals racism. Which is self-evidently true. it's it's ah It's a racist.

17:36.44
alexei sayle
ideology. it's a race yeah it's ah It's a philosophy that says one race. Must have dominance over all other races in a... specific. or ill slightly ill-defined, in fact.

17:45.89
Talal K
Yeah.

17:48.66
alexei sayle
area of land And so it is racist. I mean, you know, even if you believed in it, you could still admit that it was racist, really, because it clearly is. And I think he's trying to...

17:57.47
Talal K
Good.

17:59.04
alexei sayle
I mean, it was it was Philly busted out. in the Spring Conference. you know, due to the actions of...

18:05.38
Talal K
Yes, famously, yes.

18:08.57
alexei sayle
you know, groups like je Jewish Greens and... You know? So that that kind of the... presumably long-standing members of the Green Party who are themselves Zionists.

18:22.66
Talal K
I remember watching...

18:22.98
alexei sayle
And I think Zach is...

18:25.28
Talal K
Watch.

18:24.94
alexei sayle
zach is also trying to dilute it he suggested a couple of amendments and there's also i think

18:29.18
Talal K
So he has two amendments he wants to do

18:31.88
alexei sayle
Hmm.

18:31.66
Talal K
to the zionism is racism motion

18:34.77
alexei sayle
Mm hmm.

18:35.29
Talal K
ah One of them being... ah securing the protection of Jews. within it

18:44.74
alexei sayle
With him where Israel

18:44.84
Talal K
Um... within the motion

18:48.48
alexei sayle
All right

18:49.27
Talal K
So the way he worded it was...

18:49.50
alexei sayle
Amen.

18:53.37
Talal K
If a pro-Palestinian Jew Um, happens to be a member of a synagogue and the synagogue's official stance is Zionist.

19:04.22
alexei sayle
m

19:05.65
Talal K
That individual Jewish person shouldn't be.

19:10.37
Talal K
tarnished with the same brush It was quite confusing wording, but that's...

19:14.35
alexei sayle
Yeah, well, I don't know why they're in that synagogue, but yeah.

19:18.14
Talal K
Yeah. And then the Second Amendment was... Kind of annoying. Um... but i'm gonna have to just look it up quickly

19:32.75
Talal K
and my cat is.

19:33.04
alexei sayle
I mean, I said to Linda because she said she was having fun. difficulty. You know. voting for zach and i said well he is also a member of a party which is at the moment much more democratic than the labour party was under jeremy has ever been in in its life really so he's He's much more, I think.

19:53.44
alexei sayle
Um, You know, he has to answer to the members much more than any leader of the Labour Party. Classy ho.

20:01.94
alexei sayle
has had to do and the majority of members are you know Anti-Zionist, so... That's a reason to vote for him really, even if you wonder about his own.

20:14.20
alexei sayle
specifics of his own policy and let's i mean also let's not be niggardly he has also He says genocide. He you know he he doesn't resile from that word. he you know He says it's a genocide. and You know, that's got, that's for somebody on the... Mainstreamer.

20:31.57
alexei sayle
british politics that's

20:32.46
Talal K
Yes. Again, like we're just so desperate for any. Okay.

20:38.46
alexei sayle
Yeah.

20:38.80
Talal K
like even the ed miller band thing like we we're so desperate for just any shift any shift in the language anyone on the mainstream to just say what we're thinking what we're feeling we'll take any little crumbs they give us

20:44.84
alexei sayle
Yeah.

20:51.54
alexei sayle
Yes.

20:51.96
Talal K
Um, Okay, the two amendments. The first would alter its position on the eventual political settlement in Israel and Palestine.

21:03.76
Talal K
The second would seek to protect Jewish Green members from punishment or exclusion because of their associations or political views.

21:12.91
Talal K
provoking fury among pro-palestinian activists so alter The First Amendment would alter the motion's position on the eventual political settlement. in Israel and Palestine

21:25.48
alexei sayle
Right.

21:25.96
Talal K
What does that fucking mean?

21:27.84
alexei sayle
presumably it means not a one state hello There you are.

21:31.35
Talal K
two-state solution

21:32.62
alexei sayle
Maybe it means some kind of... Yeah, it presumably doesn't mean a one-state solution. I don't know what that means. Uh... But yeah, the second one, well... If you

21:43.57
Talal K
Yes, he kept talking.

21:45.72
alexei sayle
I mean, I don't know. I don't know this. this theoretical Green Party member who attends this. rabidly Zionist synagogue is really this theoretical member but um you know I think they should probably change the synagogue brain if they agree with.

22:05.03
alexei sayle
You know if they if they if they are and she's honest. i mean if they aren't then they are they are an adherent of you know i mean as milliband is you know

22:09.75
Talal K
Yeah, he he wants...

22:16.05
alexei sayle
They're an adherent of a... of an ideology that is explicitly racism. i'd like I don't know if anybody can explain to me how it isn't.

22:23.47
Talal K
Well, I yeah that I've confirmed that the other amendment is in fact to remove the single state solution. He wants to be open to a two-state solution.

22:36.33
alexei sayle
Yeah, well I think...

22:36.83
Talal K
Which I wonder, is is he just doing that? to protect himself. Does he actually believe that?

22:44.50
alexei sayle
Yeah, I mean, he may be doing it just to prevent, you know, if this motion, my guess will be, I don't know when it is, I think it's it this week. their conference.

22:54.77
alexei sayle
um ah i My guess would be that if this motion goes through, which it should. um the right-wing billionaire. own. Epstein.

23:05.69
alexei sayle
Epstein. which we call the Anyway, but I mean, the...

23:11.17
Talal K
Epstein class.

23:12.41
alexei sayle
The F time classes, right? They will. Um... Make it huge. song and dance about it and that and that you that the other both deputies and the campaign against and servicess all those pro-israel Pro-genocide lobby groups will...

23:31.23
alexei sayle
You know. Um, Kick up. Trying to kick off the usual.

23:35.30
Talal K
Yeah.

23:36.32
alexei sayle
force and And he maybe wants to...

23:37.56
Talal K
Yep.

23:38.46
alexei sayle
um Uh... avoid, you know, it just as a kind of tactical thing right now when he's... in the middle of a biolex he wants to avoid what we...

23:49.85
alexei sayle
We would call in Yiddish surahs.

23:55.82
Talal K
Soros.

23:55.73
alexei sayle
upset You know. sort of, it's good I mean, yeah, you know. anxiety Commotion. um And you know, that might be a...

24:07.71
alexei sayle
That might be a short term. Maybe. a you know correct short term Because he will get. You know, we'll... It will detract from whatever other message he's trying to.

24:21.58
alexei sayle
Spread. um That's just tough shit, though, I think. yeah I mean, the motion has to go through. If it doesn't, I think... It raises serious questions about the nature of the greens really.

24:33.35
alexei sayle
Which is a shame because I think that you know that they have seemed to be the only real place where hope resides in this country at the moment.

24:42.58
Talal K
Alexis Sale, I've been fucking loving.

24:43.71
alexei sayle
mm-hmm

24:46.27
Talal K
Your book.

24:46.58
alexei sayle
Oh, thank you. Yes.

24:47.33
Talal K
How I've tried to change the world by walking down the middle of the street shouting.

24:47.68
alexei sayle
Bye-bye.

24:51.51
alexei sayle
Yes.

24:52.06
Talal K
ah if If listeners at home don't have it yet, what the fuck are you doing? what How dare you listen to this and not have bought this book?

24:55.99
alexei sayle
Yeah.

24:57.81
Talal K
yet. Um, I was delayed on. starting it because of course i had to finish My brother CAD file book, the St.

25:06.49
alexei sayle
Okay, man.

25:06.63
Talal K
Peter's Fair. And I have to say I really, really. Fucking love this book so much. I especially love when CAD files solved. the glove issue and found the glove in the oh wait your book um i am As you can see, I'm more than halfway through.

25:22.32
Talal K
There's my bookmark there. um i will be ready to kind of i will what i want to kind of interview on this i will do a a podcast episode

25:23.62
alexei sayle
Yeah.

25:28.07
alexei sayle
Okay, sure.

25:30.87
Talal K
focusing on the book.

25:32.27
alexei sayle
Mmm.

25:32.94
Talal K
um I've just been reading about the Thatcher years. And how... that shift from optimism in the 70s. Into the 80s where you realise, oh, the left is doomed.

25:45.70
alexei sayle
e

25:46.16
Talal K
And Thatcher bringing this like Reaganism. It's like new new economic.

25:49.70
alexei sayle
Yeah.

25:52.35
Talal K
Um, I can't imagine what it must have. really felt like. Um, to walk around just knowing Seeing the beginning of what now is like eating this world alive. this Corporate.

26:07.02
alexei sayle
Yeah, I mean it

26:07.49
Talal K
capitalist consumerism.

26:08.73
alexei sayle
Yeah, it was difficult. i mean Yeah. I mean, you felt in the left in a way that the left the left had no... answers to. you know It's taking the left.

26:20.24
alexei sayle
Whatever it is. Yeah, since Reagan. and

26:25.54
alexei sayle
to it Yeah, it's such a really... evolve a kind of an answer which is beginning to work. um so you felt like the left had no and you know i write about you know the left had no solutions to neoliberalism.

26:39.86
Talal K
Will you speak about the older... trade union leaders being the ones who are taking charge just using old techniques even like

26:46.37
alexei sayle
Hmm.

26:47.36
Talal K
techniques that are known to have failed in the past.

26:49.59
alexei sayle
Yeah.

26:50.42
Talal K
and trying them against Thatcher and...

26:52.16
alexei sayle
Yeah.

26:53.11
Talal K
Whereas now the youth really d take charge in the in the leftist movements.

26:56.04
alexei sayle
Yeah, and I think you know there's much more. I think there's much greater understanding of... Uh... there's a much greater understanding of of that the po political organizations have to be.

27:11.46
alexei sayle
Um, Democratic. you know, in their in in their entire makeup, really. i mean

27:18.20
Talal K
Yes.

27:18.63
alexei sayle
I was up in Liverpool last week. I'm doing a... program for Radio 4 about... Liverpool, it's a sort of... Liverpool, it's a project I've wanted to do for a long time.

27:30.12
alexei sayle
Liverpool's um Orchid collection that Liverpool had the largest collection of orchids in the world.

27:34.60
Talal K
Oh yeah!

27:37.04
alexei sayle
And then that slowly, partly through initially. counsel incompetence. But, you know, and was in a pretty parlous state. But when militant... Choke power in Liverpool.

27:50.85
alexei sayle
um, in the, in the early eighties. they you know, face.

27:53.98
Talal K
Who?

27:55.21
alexei sayle
Huh?

27:55.97
Talal K
Who militant?

27:56.50
alexei sayle
militant yeah well i'll exchange that i'll explain them they were forced to um you know, make a choice really. Uh... between what they as they saw at homes and and flowers.

28:12.33
alexei sayle
And then and they they closed down the... yeah the orchid collection um and it was kind of destroyed really this it it staggers on a little but um Well, we to tell the story in there. It's a really interesting story because it's about, I mean, to a degree, it's about...

28:30.29
alexei sayle
you know, what value is something ephemeral like orchids? something fragile you know compared to the hard reality of jobs and housing. and you know.

28:43.42
alexei sayle
But what I was going to say is the only kind of the only really active Um, of opposition to Thatcher in a way. Well, it was Ken Livingstone here who was, I guess, this a softer kind of left-wing Labour socialist, but also we had these groups like militants.

29:00.47
alexei sayle
which took over Liverpool specifically and several other. councils and and and tried to fight back against the... Conservatives.

29:10.97
alexei sayle
i mean But I think one of the problems of those Trotskyist groups, like Militants Again, listeners can argue with me but it's that they are not democratic that they're very they follow that kind of Marxist-Leninist model of of revolutionary organizations. They're very top-down, and they're not. democratic here and they're not democratic.

29:30.62
alexei sayle
In. the in their relationship they in i mean i interviewed one of the We were in a pub called the Roscoe Head and I interviewed a woman. and a militant counsellor.

29:43.44
alexei sayle
And after she'd finished speaking, the pub stood and applauded her.

29:46.79
Talal K
Haha.

29:47.77
alexei sayle
It's only in Liverpool. but um

29:49.43
Talal K
Yeah. yeah

29:50.74
alexei sayle
i I mean, I didn't really, I actually was not, I didn't really challenge her on her beliefs because she seemed, well, she was 79 and I didn't. And she was quite frightening.

30:01.87
alexei sayle
um

30:02.55
Talal K
ah

30:04.28
alexei sayle
ah but you know I think you know they She would say, you know, we asked people what they want and they said they wanted housing and they wanted big kitchens. But it's still you asking people what they wanted. It's not.

30:18.48
alexei sayle
people organically you knowing you know the people and The political organiser's game. organization being one if you know i mean so the militants and those other Trotskyist groups. I interviewed the... guy who was then Radio City, I think. the their labor affairs correspondent when organizations had such a thing and he was he pointed out that militants

30:44.77
alexei sayle
With the roots a Trotskyist group who went en interest They took over the Labour Party, but they and they wouldn't admit that they were in militant mostly, but they you know Derek Hatton was the most famous.

30:55.53
alexei sayle
Um, There's the leader. um But the yeah the the the guy from Radio City pointed out that they were elected three times. They never...

31:06.76
alexei sayle
The people of Liverpool. Never.

31:10.75
alexei sayle
Didn't. They weren't voted out. They were only they only lost power because of the Thatcher government. because they wouldn't set an illegal rate, the Thatcher government. disbarred them from.

31:22.48
alexei sayle
Or they weren't set in the League of Rays, right? the thatcher government disbarred them from public office so they were only they were ousted from

31:31.14
Talal K
Bloody hell.

31:32.23
alexei sayle
Officer in a... In a right-wing coup, they weren't ousted from office. You know, it's the same with the TLC. Fucking Thatcher just dissolved it, you know, which is extraordinarily anti-democratic.

31:43.94
alexei sayle
Action. um So, you know, Millicent's always had... you know enjoyed great support in and then so there was it's also that there were six men who ran the Orchid Collection and they were very opposed to...

31:58.52
alexei sayle
militants and refused to come out on strike. and so it's it's also this i mean we it's difficult because We've got some, I don't think they want to speak really. and We've got some.

32:08.66
Talal K
Can I pause you? My doorbell just went.

32:10.95
alexei sayle
Yeah.

32:11.40
Talal K
Sorry, just hold that thought.

32:38.09
Talal K
Just a sec, Alex. We've got delivery.

33:04.67
Talal K
Sir, you have to take a photo of me holding the parcel. um Please, do you remember where you were? Carry on. That militant.

33:12.89
alexei sayle
um No, well, the six men refused to take part in that. Peace. strike and um They're reluctant. I think there's only a couple of them still alive. We've got some recordings of one of them which we're open to.

33:25.63
alexei sayle
use but um it's It's hard to get that point of view really, but... Yeah, it's a really interesting program, you know.

33:31.88
Talal K
I can imagine.

33:34.35
alexei sayle
Um,

33:34.44
Talal K
That's really exciting.

33:35.77
alexei sayle
Yeah.

33:35.84
Talal K
when's that Is that going to come out this year?

33:37.88
alexei sayle
And that comes out in January. I think it stays here until January next year on a Saturday. Archive Hour on Radio 4.

33:43.13
Talal K
um I like how you in the. In the book, you describe communist parties as... Like... They get their beliefs and their... from the top like the Pope. giving the catholic church their

33:53.89
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.

33:55.85
Talal K
And so left-wing tactics have evolved and... and become more democratic. and youth-led.

34:03.47
alexei sayle
I think so, yeah

34:04.11
Talal K
Does that give us any optimism or is the But the enemy is just so big now.

34:07.06
alexei sayle
Yeah.

34:09.28
Talal K
isn't it?

34:09.36
alexei sayle
Well, ah you know, I'm perhaps... got done it you know because i'm dilute you know, because I'm not there, but... Democratic Socialists of America seem to have understood this. that you can't just have good politics. Your political organization has to be...

34:24.92
alexei sayle
yeah and they've learned the lessons you know i've talked about this before i think but you know, and I say it in the book that... My feeling is that... political organizations need to be also community organizations. They need to be rooted. And this is what.

34:40.18
alexei sayle
Murray Bookchin, who I write about. right at the end says i think that They have to be rooted in their communities. The Black Panthers did this. The Muslim Brotherhood did that. in you know that is what, you know, that you.

34:53.58
alexei sayle
You work on community campaigns and run... illegal clinics and housing but you know I was in advisory You know, and so you become part of the community really and and and so what you and the community want becomes organic, right?

35:12.03
alexei sayle
and i think DSA have understood that.

35:12.15
Talal K
Yeah.

35:14.56
alexei sayle
I think to a degree. The greens are starting to understand that. ah But that is the only way forward for for the... Left it seems to me is to You can't just be a a party of, you know.

35:30.03
alexei sayle
tight political caters you know Who? And... decisions down from the top it has to come from the bottom Oh.

35:42.89
alexei sayle
I see that shit bag. Tom Watson, who was a... It was Jeremy's deputy.

35:50.33
Talal K
The traitor.

35:51.37
alexei sayle
He's now got a job with Palantir, yeah.

35:53.68
Talal K
No.

35:54.53
alexei sayle
Yeah.

35:55.34
Talal K
Well, that makes sense

35:55.54
alexei sayle
It's all true. I don't know if it's is it. Is it? up here is it's just the fact that he's put all the weight he took off back on and

36:03.60
Talal K
No. Oh God.

36:05.12
alexei sayle
Yeah.

36:05.57
Talal K
I haven't heard that name in a long time.

36:07.47
alexei sayle
Hmm.

36:07.20
Talal K
I didn't know this news about him.

36:08.50
alexei sayle
evil. Fuck that. There was also on Newsnight last night, what was he called? can't do He's now the head of Labour Together, which is the organisation that gave us...

36:19.63
alexei sayle
Amen. Keir Starmer. Oh, what's he called? Malevolent little fuck. Um, I can't remember now why I would... Scandalo what political outrage he was linked to now. I think he was married to somebody. I can't remember. Is it great? This is a really fine piece of broadcasting.

36:43.26
alexei sayle
anyway it was whoever was on On Newsnight on... the On the 23rd of September.

37:07.56
alexei sayle
You're looking it up.

37:07.82
Talal K
you Yeah. trying

37:18.44
Talal K
Wait what about this person?

37:20.51
alexei sayle
I can't remember. It's just the name from the old... Jeremy days, right? remember it's been an absolute gobshite

37:30.33
alexei sayle
Well, it's almost just Blast from the past.

37:36.29
alexei sayle
I did. um I did. um

37:42.32
alexei sayle
I was gonna say... ive I've had the odd offer to you know go on those panels, you know, like... A load of coons begging not to be one of those.

37:51.66
Talal K
Yeah.

37:52.80
alexei sayle
But I've turned it down already. I can't. I don't like people contesting my views. I just like to... to blow V8. Alone, really.

38:02.74
alexei sayle
I don't know. oh also having a you know Yeah, well, the one time I did Question Time. You know, famously said, you know. You have to have an opinion about everything, really.

38:15.20
Talal K
Yeah.

38:16.57
alexei sayle
Um... I don't, you know, there's things I don't have. I don't care.

38:20.92
Talal K
You need to really be on the ball and on.

38:21.20
alexei sayle
Um, Hmm. Yeah.

38:23.98
Talal K
And I have lots of energy to do that as well, to sit there and debate someone on a fucking show you don't give a shit about.

38:29.01
alexei sayle
Yeah. genius like you um I was on the train coming back from Liverpool. I was in, I have to... I hope people don't... I was in business... I was in...

38:40.55
alexei sayle
Standard Premium, which is something that Avanti West Coast. Runs which is a a first class seat but you don't get any but a much reduced price because you don't get older The free alcohol.

38:53.57
Talal K
Right.

38:54.34
alexei sayle
and food and microwave. food that you get in first class which you know um and Laura Koonsberg actually got on It got on in crew. And then she spoke to the guard. She was going to Milton Keynes.

39:09.81
alexei sayle
And. The train manager came round and he said, it's a 40-pound supplement. She said, well... I'm fucking... Crew to Milton Keynes He's not yet.

39:22.02
alexei sayle
And she went, well fuck this then. um What's that? Standard class, so...

39:28.50
Talal K
Cool.

39:30.10
alexei sayle
I'll give her that. I don't know whether she's... whether she's spending her own money or the corporation's really, but... ah I had booked ahead, so that didn't... Savings were greater.

39:42.36
alexei sayle
but um

39:42.44
Talal K
What a scoop. Bit of gossip there on the Alexis L podcast.

39:43.96
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah. she did Yeah. She didn't use that language. I mean, I'm... um I'm... I'm doing hair dialogue. For her.

39:54.31
alexei sayle
I don't know if she said these things

39:54.83
Talal K
It's like...

39:56.66
alexei sayle
But.

39:57.81
Talal K
fuck that

39:58.62
alexei sayle
I remember once... Was it? cro Yeah.

40:01.78
Talal K
Lady whistle down over here Go on.

40:04.95
alexei sayle
Remember? i was in I think I was in first class, actually, on that years ago on the train. Going up to Liverpool. and they came i remember them wheeling this trolley through Loaded with like...

40:19.47
alexei sayle
the finest wines and fruits known to humanity. Just beautiful. I thought it was blimey. Services. and you know, pies. and Jesus.

40:30.67
alexei sayle
from around the world.

40:30.96
Talal K
wow

40:33.04
alexei sayle
And. and It went down and it never came back. And then I... I saw. When my train got to Crewe I saw Princess Diana get off and I thought that was all for it. which you would have only, you know.

40:44.85
alexei sayle
She's not somebody who ate a lot anyway.

40:46.09
Talal K
Are you kidding?

40:47.17
alexei sayle
No. It was just for it. We just got the usual fucking microwave. Express burger or whatever but I think it must have been before they gave you free Shinverga.

40:56.87
Talal K
You were on a train with Princess Diana?

40:59.15
alexei sayle
I was on a train. She either got off a crew or rugby. Might have been rugby. um but that all the food was For her, really.

41:06.62
Talal K
Yes.

41:07.43
alexei sayle
and she would not have eaten any of it. that we never got.

41:09.92
Talal K
Yes.

41:11.09
alexei sayle
They could have brought it back.

41:11.19
Talal K
What do you think about this new Prince Charles, apparently? Whose book was it that was like scandalizing?

41:16.48
alexei sayle
Airspenser.

41:18.92
Talal K
Say again.

41:19.95
alexei sayle
El Spencer said.

41:21.69
Talal K
Earl Spencer, yeah.

41:23.03
alexei sayle
Yeah. but my Yeah.

41:25.34
Talal K
Some royal gossip saying that Chucky was like Over the moon when Diana got...

41:30.83
alexei sayle
Yeah, I'm sure he was. But I mean, now Spencer's also got... you know, scores to settle. I always say, you know, it's a bad idea and if you've got a memoir to... settle scores it just makes you look bad and you know spencer well he doesn't need any help looking bad really but You know, just makes it look like a whiny.

41:49.76
alexei sayle
fellow.

41:50.92
Talal K
Folks at home, please support the show by joining our Patreon, patreon .com forward slash Alexis L podcast. This is ah a lot of zero budget. ah grassroots production we don't do any we probably should but we don't do any marketing no nothing like that it's all word of mouth

42:05.11
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah. I keep meaning it till we talk about it.

42:10.16
Talal K
Please tell your friends about the show. um and please consider going to patreon .com forward slash alexis l podcast and chucking us a couple quid a month you can watch full video episodes of the podcast. My cat's been walking around in the background.

42:25.06
Talal K
ah for keen-eyed viewers. um And. There's lots of other stuff. We've got Alexi Reacts. Me and Alexi go to a shooting range and shoot guns.

42:34.66
alexei sayle
yeah

42:35.64
Talal K
Alexi, Lisa, Nigel watching The Young Ones. I want to do more of that. Think it's time.

42:41.42
alexei sayle
Yeah.

42:42.78
Talal K
But also I was thinking about, sorry, I was going to get to a listener question from the Patreon chat room, but I was considering.

42:42.91
alexei sayle
Yeah.

42:47.50
alexei sayle
mm-hmm

42:50.03
Talal K
You know what the big money podcast business is?

42:53.49
alexei sayle
no

42:53.57
Talal K
is watch back. It's basically what we did but watch back podcasts.

42:59.20
alexei sayle
Yeah

42:59.57
Talal K
So we do a young ones. Watch back.

43:02.08
alexei sayle
it Does it have to be what you watching him back?

43:05.59
Talal K
So the difference is, because on our Patreon, we've literally got an episode of The Young Ones in the corner of the screen and you, Lisa and Nigel on a sofa watching it.

43:11.45
alexei sayle
Yeah.

43:15.18
Talal K
And every now and then you pause it. and you chat about something that happened. great that's a very visual thing but the podcast thing people do is they just have

43:18.67
alexei sayle
Yeah.

43:23.100
Talal K
The episode one. We'll be you guys chatting about episode one of The Young Ones. And it's up to the listeners at home. the they should do their homework they gotta watch episode one themselves and then they'll plug in

43:35.59
alexei sayle
So there's no...

43:37.32
Talal K
So you're not watching it.

43:37.47
alexei sayle
licensing problems, yeah.

43:39.17
Talal K
Yeah, you're literally just you sat around a table chatting about the young ones

43:42.94
alexei sayle
Mm hmm.

43:43.32
Talal K
um And this stuff. is is big. Every, like...

43:46.89
alexei sayle
Meaning?

43:47.65
Talal K
Yeah, there's massive shows that do it. But, you know, they had their like.

43:50.93
alexei sayle
but it was when it's the cast It's the cast who do it or it's just...

43:55.15
Talal K
Yes, it's the cast, the writers, directors, whoever.

43:58.25
alexei sayle
right

43:58.75
Talal K
so it would be you lisa and nigel hopefully and if we could get aid that would be great and then

44:03.66
alexei sayle
No chance.

44:04.70
Talal K
You'd get special guests so like you could get Roland with Ron on for an episode especially But if he's in the episode that you're talking about if there's a special guest in the episode that you're discussing try and get them on

44:09.12
alexei sayle
Alright.

44:16.17
alexei sayle
That's popular, is it?

44:17.71
Talal K
It's popular And I think that's something that we could pitch to like a proper production company and get.

44:20.29
alexei sayle
No.

44:23.79
Talal K
No. make some cash, but for now... We are poor.

44:27.42
alexei sayle
Hmm.

44:27.52
Talal K
So support us on Patreon. Look, ah someone, Alistair. asks In the Roundhouse episode, Alexi mentioned the theatre director Peter Brook.

44:36.100
alexei sayle
Hmm.

44:37.79
Talal K
Does he have any stories of Ken Campbell? with who with whom Diane worked. Do you have any...

44:43.31
alexei sayle
um not Not really. he was the That's the story I tell, which is a story I've told a few times about the unlucky gun. He was there on the first night when... For some reason, when Rick and I turned up at the yeah at the comedy store...

44:58.05
alexei sayle
ken campbell was there he's also in he's very funny in an episode of

44:58.07
Talal K
m

45:02.84
alexei sayle
Fawlty towels. Um... I, uh... But I i always... did but i What he was into, really, I didn't like, that kind of chaos.

45:16.01
alexei sayle
I know one of his alumni was... which is not really to this is I'm not criticising him, but one of his alumni was... um Chris Langham has just died. and I mean it's...

45:28.49
alexei sayle
I mean, I don't know what to say about Chris Langham, really. he was I mean, he was that generation of... Oxford. along with, I think, Jimmy Moore villain. Mel Smith and Griff Rees-Jones He was a...

45:44.01
alexei sayle
He was an addict. He went... He... he he He was got into AA and got sober but... i think his is you know That's not necessarily always a solution, really.

45:57.32
alexei sayle
um or in a way that he he was then And then he was at the very height of it. He was as big as he'd ever been. He was brilliant in, I think, the first or first and second series of The Thick of It as the hapless minister.

46:10.33
alexei sayle
And he was in a brilliant thing that my friend John Morton wrote called People Like Us, which I think was a... a lot of of aspects of which. According to Victor Louis Smith. though Ricky Gervais took four. the office.

46:24.37
Talal K
e

46:24.68
alexei sayle
but then of course it was revealed that he had really the most serious examples of child pornography on this computer. and He was jailed.

46:34.15
Talal K
Whoa.

46:34.63
alexei sayle
and From that point on, he was... kind of i think i think some of those people i mean it caused a bit of a rift i think in in that kind of group that Oxford. Cambridge.

46:49.12
alexei sayle
You know, Richard Curtis, Rowan Atkinson, Mel and Griff. Because I think some of them, huh? um still stayed. towards them and occasionally gave him work.

47:02.00
alexei sayle
you know, and um writing and stuff. And others, absolutely.

47:03.93
Talal K
Jesus Christ.

47:06.76
alexei sayle
Wouldn't have anything to do with him. um ah but I mean, I think just this kind of. that he should have. Setting myself on fire at the same time as...

47:21.80
alexei sayle
His greatest fame I think was, you know. I don't think he ever admitted. to himself or to... to the world that he'd ever done anything wrong as well but uh i remember he was in a really good series with paul whitehouse as well we're playing a where Paul played it.

47:38.67
alexei sayle
was ah Chris Langer was the therapist. and Paul Whitehouse was all the... clients of the therapist yeah and ah paul was very upset because he tried to pretend that he's

47:47.26
Talal K
Oh really?

47:52.81
alexei sayle
the the The child pornography on his computer was... Um, research for the show I think at one point and um Yeah, so anyway, I can't remember why I was talking about Chris Langham now, but i mean he used to turn up at the comedy store.

48:08.57
alexei sayle
But we never. I mean, he was... I mean, I suppose because he I remember once, and I've you know never taken cocaine, but I remember we had like a 15-minute.

48:20.71
alexei sayle
Break. I think half an hour or something, between shows at the comic strip. club where I was the MC. And um I seem to remember in that break he... Somebody forced me into a mini.

48:34.04
alexei sayle
Drove to Stoke Newington. Balsam Cove I mean, drove like a maniac. And then we had the Japanese meal. And we we're back in time for the second show.

48:45.34
Talal K
Jesus Christ.

48:47.26
alexei sayle
That's one of my... Permissive. Um,

48:51.80
Talal K
That's Ken or Chris?

48:53.87
alexei sayle
So this is all, Chris Langham. That's why I was...

48:55.37
Talal K
That's what we're still on. Okay.

48:56.64
alexei sayle
Yeah, i have no i have no I have no stories about it.

48:56.91
Talal K
We're still on Chris lagen

49:00.05
Talal K
So a question on Ken Campbell ended up.

49:00.31
alexei sayle
Kay Campbell, really. Yeah, so this is all about Chris Langen.

49:02.07
Talal K
But I love it when you're in gossip mode. That was really gossipy. Like you were dishing there, man.

49:05.58
alexei sayle
That was it. Mostly safely dead, I suppose, partly.

49:06.52
Talal K
Yeah. He's safely dead. You can gossip about the dead all you like.

49:10.19
alexei sayle
Yeah, so we can't zoom in.

49:12.05
Talal K
But you were spilling tea like crazy there. i got

49:14.37
alexei sayle
No, really

49:14.92
Talal K
get a mopping bucket i love that um

49:17.91
alexei sayle
Well, there was also... Well, I mean, we talk about those...

49:19.41
Talal K
I...

49:22.74
alexei sayle
There was there was a read an article the Trumps. head of the FCC, which is the federal communications commission i think which is A guy called, his surname is Kahn, I think.

49:36.76
alexei sayle
um, There was in a big long read in The Guardian, which all of which I haven't read, but about how he had been at one point. And we said, no, yeah. But he there was a kind of group operating within AA.

49:52.24
alexei sayle
In, um... Washington that was like became very cult-like. And... um A lot of bad things happened within that group. and crit I mean...

50:04.50
alexei sayle
I mean, AA is a... Marvelous organization, I think. and then you know I mean both. in in its you know in it that it helps people get sober really there's also a But also it's it's ethos. I think that it's a program of honesty.

50:21.39
alexei sayle
Um...

50:24.29
Talal K
Yeah, you actually talk about it in your book as well

50:26.92
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah, was yeah.

50:27.07
Talal K
Quiet. you're very praising of their system of ah

50:29.58
alexei sayle
Yeah, I am. but there is

50:30.67
Talal K
keeping the leaders on rotation and all that.

50:33.33
alexei sayle
Yeah. I think they're an amazing organization, but... that You know, because they're people who are... There are people with any who are deeply... disturbed I think it can be prone to.

50:47.98
alexei sayle
Um, misuse really and there was also that chris langham was Seth kind of sets himself up as an A gu himself and .A. a kind of flock of acolytes around him but one particular meeting in central London where he...

51:04.23
alexei sayle
He would hold court, really. Um, And... You know. So no organisation, I guess, is immune from...

51:16.95
alexei sayle
Corruption ready. I mean, but yeah.

51:21.58
Talal K
um Just quickly. ah ah In the Diane Morgan episode, I mentioned my... afternoon with sylvester mccoy and he told me some stories and mark in the patreon our secretary of of films and culture and shit.

51:36.12
alexei sayle
Hmm.

51:36.81
Talal K
ah corrected me and said um Sylvester McCoy's stories about fringe theatre would have likely been about... can Campbell, Bob Hoskins, Dave Hill.

51:45.16
alexei sayle
Yeah.

51:47.88
Talal K
that group not

51:48.97
alexei sayle
Yeah.

51:49.54
Talal K
Griff Rhys-Jones as I. had said I've got one last one here for you from Ian ian Drew.

51:53.69
alexei sayle
Okay.

51:55.92
Talal K
Hello again, Ian Drew. ah Here's something I've never heard Alexi talk about. But does he remember voicing? Speaking of Ricky Gervais. And his shit cat's Netflix crap.

52:08.95
alexei sayle
Mmm.

52:10.10
Talal K
Um, Does Alexi remember voicing a cartoon cat? called Rubbish King of the Jumble.

52:17.72
alexei sayle
oh

52:17.91
Talal K
that was on CITV in the 90s.

52:20.62
alexei sayle
Let's i do It's made in Bristol. I did two series of it I think. Um,

52:29.68
alexei sayle
Yeah, it was you know. It's old, you know. was I think they had to get it. Where did they get it done? They had to get it done in the Philippines. And then, you know, we're animating it. Simpsons was is ah still presumably done in Korea.

52:45.02
alexei sayle
Um, it was old school animation yeah it was a cat with a I think a fantastic imagination. I think was we made it in Bristol.

52:57.72
alexei sayle
And it was done by... But it was via Harlech TV, which was one of the Welsh... one of you know when there was all these different regional.

53:08.76
alexei sayle
Maybe it's done by an independent production company. Um,

53:12.55
Talal K
Right, yeah.

53:13.14
alexei sayle
And... ah They're very nice And yeah, I'd go up there a few times and I think I'd do a load of, I mean, you can do, obviously with animation, you can do a load of episodes.

53:25.34
alexei sayle
in a day. Maybe a whole series. I can't remember. actually one of the oddly enough one of the What? One of the memories I've got, I think it was that we were trying to get a...

53:37.03
alexei sayle
I'm a man. It's so bad it's on my mind. we we We'd ordered a pizza and we're trying to get them to deliver it. And it was like at a time in Britain when... The idea hadn't...

53:49.05
alexei sayle
They couldn't. No, can you? Somehow we'd like a pizza, but can you somehow...

53:54.22
Talal K
Did he?

53:55.28
alexei sayle
In the air to us. and they're like Oh no.

53:58.20
Talal K
What?

53:58.97
alexei sayle
We'll do that.

53:59.22
Talal K
What a great idea.

54:01.88
alexei sayle
No, we can't. Nobody's got to come here.

54:04.04
Talal K
One second.

54:18.22
Talal K
Okay. I'll see you later then. Sorry, Bea was just leaving. um that So you invented... Pizza delivery.

54:27.82
alexei sayle
No, no, I think I failed to invent it really I don't maybe you know. Maybe it inspired them.

54:31.58
Talal K
ah Maybe that's one for Alexi Reacts. We watch an episode of Rubbish King of the Jumble.

54:37.33
alexei sayle
Yeah, sure, yeah, if you can find it, yeah.

54:39.69
Talal K
Created by Mark Taylor.

54:40.46
alexei sayle
I do it. He was either a Bristol Rovers or a Bristol City fan. I can't remember which.

54:47.41
Talal K
Who worked on Chicken Run?

54:50.11
alexei sayle
Well, of course, all it's all. Yeah, well, you know, well because Bristol. With Aardman Animation is a... There's a sense of animation isn't it

55:00.37
Talal K
Ooh, ooh, ooh.

55:00.95
alexei sayle
Or was, anyway.

55:05.19
Talal K
Well... Thank you for enlightening us on that. ah Thank you patrons and thank you listeners at home. I think that's been the Alexa Cell podcast for the day.

55:16.82
alexei sayle
Yeah, I hope it. I could probably see those numbers plummet again, I would have thought, really.

55:20.88
Talal K
yeah Let's get back to a zone of comfort.

55:22.88
alexei sayle
yeah Let's get back to our safe zone of comfort, yeah.

55:23.28
Talal K
a zone of comfort Yeah. Please.

55:26.97
alexei sayle
two two thousand two and a half thousand three 3 .1 thousand

55:31.41
Talal K
That's just on YouTube.

55:32.62
alexei sayle
That's just on YouTube.

55:33.65
Talal K
That's all you get to see.

55:33.100
alexei sayle
Let's check.

55:34.65
Talal K
I don't show you the real numbers.

55:35.40
alexei sayle
Yeah.

55:37.40
Talal K
Um, Anything else though, Alexi?

55:40.39
alexei sayle
Now by my book by my book by my book

55:40.38
Talal K
Anything else you want to touch on? By the motherfucking book link in the description the podcast description

55:43.26
alexei sayle
Please. Yeah.

55:48.46
Talal K
or the YouTube description.

55:50.11
alexei sayle
Ow!

55:50.92
Talal K
There's a link to buy the book. There's a link to the Patreon. There's a link to our email address. Send us questions. Um, Yes, Alexi, what?

55:57.95
alexei sayle
I'm... I'm doing an online thing on October the 10th. It's in collaboration with... them the cable streets. Anniversary.

56:08.81
alexei sayle
in the East End, the Battle of Cable Street. Look it up if you don't know about it.

56:11.32
Talal K
Yes.

56:12.75
alexei sayle
And I'm doing, I said I'd outplug. I'm. It's like an online talking about whether comedy can... can affect. Um... Politics you know can affect the real world, as it were.

56:26.61
Talal K
So is it a talk?

56:26.88
alexei sayle
But it's a general, it's an anthem.

56:27.39
Talal K
Is it a Q and &A? Is it?

56:29.35
alexei sayle
Eh?

56:30.09
Talal K
Is it like a Q and &A or is it a talk? or is it a

56:31.92
alexei sayle
I think it's a kind of talk. i'm and I mean, I would say I'm contributing online. It's a panel, I think. um but there's a lot of festivals around that we should i should email you the You haven't got the details have you?

56:37.42
Talal K
Okay.

56:42.82
alexei sayle
I haven't sent them to you.

56:43.43
Talal K
No. but I will put it in the description of the podcast, a link.

56:44.77
alexei sayle
No. Yeah. Yeah, and put a link and all that, yeah. October 10th. Cable Street Online. um commemoration i think but i mean it's one of those i mean cable street i think you know which was You know, which was... that the black shirts were going to march through the east end which was largely jewish area

57:09.45
Talal K
Mm.

57:09.52
alexei sayle
And they were...

57:13.19
Talal K
beaten up.

57:13.31
alexei sayle
defended largely by the left wing really, both Jewish and non-Jewish, who fought them. drove them back and fought against, essentially, I think the black shits and the police.

57:24.83
alexei sayle
I think there's been an attempt in recent years to try and hijack. I know that. Tracey-Anne Oberman I think done a play about. About. cable street which i suspect Down plays the...

57:41.72
alexei sayle
The contribution of communists and socialists, I suspect. Kevin Hare. Reprehensible views. I didn't know that for certain, but...

57:53.00
alexei sayle
you know

57:57.49
alexei sayle
Yeah.

57:57.50
Talal K
Yeah. Well. That certainly fizzled out that stream of Is this the Tracee? Oh, you know what? I don't care.

58:10.27
Talal K
Um,

58:13.50
Talal K
Wait, is this recent? I live near Brixton where there's a beautiful cable street no more um mural

58:20.31
alexei sayle
all right

58:21.51
Talal K
on the wall and The Battle of Cable Street. Co-create the map. Night. Oh yeah. She did The Merchant of Venice.

58:34.23
Talal K
set against the backdrop.

58:36.68
alexei sayle
Is that what it was?

58:36.84
Talal K
of the of the battle of the Battle of Cable Street. Huh. God, they'll do anything these days.

58:42.13
alexei sayle
Okay. Well. I think she was also, a she had a TV series which was about. I remember my agent said, I'll put you up for that. and Okay, I'm not going to get it.

58:53.15
Talal K
ah

58:54.62
alexei sayle
No way she's working with me.

58:58.75
Talal K
um All right then. That'll do it.

59:03.49
alexei sayle
Yes, definitely. Well thank you for listening. Um, I hope you enjoyed it And I enjoyed it. And yeah, a bit of gossip about.

59:16.07
alexei sayle
Dead celebrities. Excelebrate. Um. So. Bye-bye.

59:27.72
Talal K
Dead.