00:00.17
Talal K
You want to do a little warm-up game?

00:02.68
alexei sayle
No.

00:06.56
Talal K
Okay, fine. Have you ever played Mindmeld before?

00:10.17
alexei sayle
That was the...

00:12.35
Talal K
And let's... You. We... I'll say three, two, one, and then just say any word. anything you can think of.

00:20.39
alexei sayle
Okay.

00:21.64
Talal K
all right Uh, three to one

00:23.04
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:26.04
alexei sayle
Coastline.

00:26.45
Talal K
Coaster.

00:28.19
alexei sayle
Oh, close.

00:29.14
Talal K
What did you say?

00:30.32
alexei sayle
Coastline.

00:31.61
Talal K
Whoa. I was literally looking at a coaster and I said, coaster.

00:35.06
alexei sayle
All right.

00:35.71
Talal K
Coastline and coaster are the two words we have. And now think of something. they have in common.

00:41.04
alexei sayle
Oh, that wasn't the trick.

00:41.29
Talal K
or No. So now think of the middle. we The aim is to say the same word. so we're gonna do it again but what's in between coastline

00:46.47
alexei sayle
Right.

00:50.24
Talal K
And coaster. Yeah, think of something. Tell me when you're locked in, when you have a word.

00:55.48
alexei sayle
Okay.

00:56.53
Talal K
You got one?

00:57.78
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:58.39
Talal K
Alright, I've got one. three to one

01:02.00
alexei sayle
See you soon.

01:02.29
Talal K
pub

01:04.03
alexei sayle
No.

01:04.01
Talal K
Oh, you said seashore?

01:06.08
alexei sayle
Yeah.

01:06.91
Talal K
I said pub. I was thinking of it. Coastal Pub. beer coasters. ah seashore and pub all right those are our new two words Seashore and pub. Oh, whoa.

01:19.18
Talal K
ah balloons. What's in between seashore and pub? Let me know when you have something.

01:27.05
alexei sayle
Okay.

01:28.19
Talal K
Yeah. okay i've got one Three, two. one

01:32.44
alexei sayle
path

01:32.80
Talal K
Beer.

01:35.14
alexei sayle
I'm fed up with this now.

01:36.54
Talal K
ah What did you say?

01:40.41
alexei sayle
Path.

01:41.33
Talal K
path

01:42.58
alexei sayle
Yeah.

01:42.75
Talal K
And beer.

01:46.04
Talal K
All right, we will that was... that was Our attempt at mind meld.

01:49.43
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah. It was good at the first and then...

01:52.42
Talal K
We...

01:56.08
Talal K
Hmm?

01:56.77
alexei sayle
It was good at first and then went off.

02:01.71
Talal K
Well, it's an exercise to try and get us on the same wavelength. and

02:05.11
alexei sayle
Okay.

02:05.96
Talal K
you know thinking connecting Um, but you know that shows me for trying um We're recording whenever you're ready.

02:15.17
alexei sayle
Okay, everybody, welcome to episode... uh 139 of the alexis sale podcast Uh... When the...

02:26.63
alexei sayle
middle of the Labour Party conference, or is that finished? I think the green conference starts on... Sunday or Friday or something, I don't know. in Brighton.

02:37.47
alexei sayle
um But, yes, i've got so I've got an offer for... I don't know how we're going to do this, but... um ah because I'm moving apartments.

02:47.13
Talal K
Mm.

02:47.81
alexei sayle
And so I found a load of merch from my 96 tour. Which is t-shirts either of me or Bobby Chariot t-shirts. And I also found a poster of me done by the...

03:01.42
alexei sayle
the artist Darren Caulfield. So I thought we could distribute those to the listeners in some form. But I can see posted should be a bit of a... Our sacred. I thought we would obviously... some in london if people wanted them or Um,

03:17.28
alexei sayle
When I'm around the country doing... There's... Wow. Well... How to Academy.

03:24.17
Talal K
book tour

03:25.66
alexei sayle
The book trip. cooked or either um

03:30.16
alexei sayle
either one of those or one of the festivals i'm doing this awesome uh people could you know we could drop it off in their town Something like that. What do you think?

03:39.56
Talal K
That's a fun idea. Well, I can also

03:40.83
alexei sayle
Yeah.

03:42.51
Talal K
We can... We can sell stuff on our Patreon page.

03:46.18
alexei sayle
Oh yeah, I found a load of my old books as well. Some have been water damaged. I've got of enough that if we did a live... live podcast i could tell them it's merch

03:58.61
Talal K
Okay. Um... Well, yeah, and I can also set up a merch page on the patreon I can handle the shipping and everything like that.

04:09.91
alexei sayle
Oh, well, I suppose if people just want to do that, yeah. i should have Uh...

04:17.25
alexei sayle
Okay. um probably show them. Only patrons see the video, don't they?

04:24.60
Talal K
Yes, correct. people who join the patreon .com forward slash alexis cell podcast

04:26.09
alexei sayle
right

04:30.61
Talal K
But. i can come over take some pictures of some stuff we can post it on the instagram

04:35.61
alexei sayle
Okay, yeah. Yeah.

04:37.71
Talal K
that's a fun idea well listeners at home Let us know if that's something that interests you. Would you be willing to buy vintage? New.

04:46.83
alexei sayle
That's a good word for it.

04:48.56
Talal K
Yeah, but it's new. It's not used, but it is vintage Alexi merch. books

04:54.43
alexei sayle
might be a bit yellowed by time no not books but

04:57.76
Talal K
Oh, not books, the t-shirts and posters.

04:57.73
alexei sayle
the T-shirts and the Darren Caulfield. sort of huge poster of me

05:03.99
Talal K
is it Is that just one item or is there like multiple copies of it?

05:06.70
alexei sayle
I think they just won.

05:08.16
Talal K
Whoa.

05:11.23
Talal K
Well, we did do an auction for the Alexis L Lego piece. And we raised money for MAP. doing that.

05:18.84
alexei sayle
No, we could do the same. for Yeah.

05:20.98
Talal K
If that poster is a one-off.

05:20.95
alexei sayle
Yeah, we could do the same. Yeah.

05:23.08
Talal K
and you sign it and i could have some some value. And...

05:27.38
alexei sayle
That's true.

05:28.40
Talal K
Yeah, great idea. Very cool.

05:32.90
alexei sayle
Yep. That's the

05:34.42
Talal K
it Yep. Yep.

05:36.14
alexei sayle
That's me out of ideas now.

05:41.14
Talal K
Welcome to the Alexa podcast episode 139. That's Alexi. I'm Talal.

05:45.10
alexei sayle
Yeah. No reason to.

05:46.09
Talal K
Talal Karkuti here.

05:47.88
alexei sayle
Yeah, no reason to string things out.

05:48.05
Talal K
A Jew and an Arab. A Jew and an Arab living in coexistence on one podcast with equal rights.

05:52.64
alexei sayle
Yeah. on the internet.

05:55.75
Talal K
It can happen. It can work.

05:59.43
alexei sayle
I've been under I was they they Because they they...

05:59.51
Talal K
We don't have a...

06:02.33
alexei sayle
i did the krishnan guru methi ways to change it.

06:04.70
Talal K
you've been doing so many podcasts in the last couple weeks it's so and you have

06:06.42
alexei sayle
Yeah.

06:09.29
Talal K
you have something on those show I want to call it energy. That I don't.

06:14.45
alexei sayle
You don't get from me in real life.

06:18.92
Talal K
You're all like polished and giving like thoughtful answers and how How prepared do you get when you go to do one of those shows? Do they send you any briefing of the questions they're going to ask you? Like Russell Howard, Christian and Guru Murphy?

06:28.58
alexei sayle
Uh, really. i can't remember i don't read them if they do i mean they they did say Krishnam will ask you how you would change the world.

06:40.33
alexei sayle
And so I just thought up something at random really about... Lies. I didn't know people would take it so seriously. Um...

06:52.23
alexei sayle
Uh...

06:53.27
Talal K
Dak Krishnan is a good journalist. He really brushed up on you, man, and he read your book thoroughly.

06:56.80
alexei sayle
Yeah, he did, yeah.

06:59.56
Talal K
And it seemed like he'd... even you know, watched your TikToks and your...

07:05.30
alexei sayle
yeah he said he'd been driving in you know listening to sandwich bar and stuff yeah

07:05.34
Talal K
Christmas message.

07:10.56
alexei sayle
So yes, he no, he did. He's a proper journalist. Um, But in a lot more prep. Well, you know, why should I prepare? I mean, I'm... I'm just there to be me aren't I already?

07:22.04
Talal K
Mm hmm.

07:22.32
alexei sayle
Um, Yeah. But anyway, that's like 170k isn't it views She's like a lot and they tell you those so that parabola where it starts out like I love Alexis Allen.

07:38.84
alexei sayle
Chip Bag seemed to discover it about two days later and start posting.

07:44.11
Talal K
Yes, when a platform...

07:44.71
alexei sayle
Shitbaggery.

07:45.94
Talal K
when platform like channel 4 put you up you're gonna You're going to get that shit, ain't ya?

07:50.70
alexei sayle
Yeah.

07:51.74
Talal K
but um Nothing good was... ah nothing Good has never been. divisive you know

07:58.73
alexei sayle
Yeah.

07:59.22
Talal K
That's... Was it on... ah that Christian Guru Murphy podcast, Ways to Change the World. is that That's the name of the podcast.

08:07.75
alexei sayle
Yes, that's where I was at.

08:09.36
Talal K
and

08:09.79
alexei sayle
Yeah.

08:10.51
Talal K
It's funny that you know you're there promoting your book.

08:12.10
alexei sayle
But... Which is called how I tried to change the world.

08:14.15
Talal K
how I've tried to change.

08:15.67
alexei sayle
Yeah

08:15.98
Talal K
Yeah. um Did he mention...

08:17.29
alexei sayle
Yes.

08:18.53
Talal K
Or was it on that show that Murray Bookchin got a mention?

08:22.29
alexei sayle
Oh, God knows.

08:24.50
Talal K
Someone called Ed on the Patreon said, nice to hear Murray Bookchin get a mention. I'm enjoying Alexi's late onset anarchism. i don't know if it's late he's always

08:34.98
alexei sayle
Yeah.

08:35.78
Talal K
That edge Who's Murray Bookchin?

08:39.41
alexei sayle
Murray Bookchin was a... An anarchist. I think he's a Jewish anarchist. lived in. Brooklyn.

08:52.07
alexei sayle
and has a daughter who's still carrying on the... the message as i understand it i only know i've got i'm actually looking at two money book chins here aren with it My computer is balanced on them.

09:04.16
alexei sayle
um

09:04.67
Talal K
Hmm.

09:05.84
alexei sayle
But he was very influential in... He affected Abdullah Öcalan, the leader of the PKK. in in solitary confinement or whatever or chill and read a lot of murray bookchin and completely changed his views, went from radical violent revolution to...

09:24.79
alexei sayle
peaceful advocating peaceful roads. Revolution. but And Ocalan's ideas obviously influenced the... The Kurdish. revolutionaries in rojava and so i don't know what's quite happening in rojava we should get khan ross back on i suppose

09:40.39
Talal K
That would be nice.

09:40.51
alexei sayle
But, um you know. that I mean, ideas of I don't know. ideas of um

09:51.52
alexei sayle
A kind of... you know that political parties have to be parties of their communities as well that they have to you know do breakfast clubs and um offer legal advice and stuff like that stuff that you know radical the which is what the Black Panthers did. and also so on as i understand the groups like the muslim brotherhood do Um...

10:16.12
alexei sayle
And, that it so you know, it's about really... democracy travelling upwards rather than downwards really. uh and it's yeah he's he's an anarchist i mean this these are ideas of Anarchism reading.

10:31.38
alexei sayle
but um

10:31.52
Talal K
yeah

10:33.15
alexei sayle
I think very, very... um seem very relevant to uh today is you know Still go ready and... how you know, they're a political party.

10:46.25
alexei sayle
Can't. Well, one, it can't just be focused on... parliamentary, winning parliamentary seats It has to function in its community as well. And that... that I think insulates you then from the...

11:00.99
alexei sayle
actions of the press, you know, malign media because you can just... ah people won't believe the media because they've met you you know i mean in a sense it's what you know Jeremy I mean Jeremy's never anarchist but I mean what Corbyn has done in north islington you know everybody's met him he's done something for nearly everybody and therefore no matter

11:22.91
Talal K
Yeah.

11:24.12
alexei sayle
what the media says they can see it's not true because They know him personally, really. And I think that... Left politics has to be like that. um I was up in Liverpool. I'm doing a programme in Liverpool about...

11:39.93
alexei sayle
Um, Liverpool the the orchid collection for Radio 4, Liverpool had the largest talk collection in the world.

11:47.44
Talal K
Yes.

11:48.08
alexei sayle
and then um i don't know if i've talked about this before but yeah and that it yeah

11:50.01
Talal K
You have have. Are you still working on it?

11:52.47
alexei sayle
ah Yeah, well, I mean, Stephanie, the producer, does a lot more work on it than I do, really. I just went up to Liverpool to...

12:00.48
alexei sayle
Um... To you know do interviews and stuff and then I'll do the voiceover and we'll We'll kind of agree, a script. But she's working much harder on it than than I am. Um,

12:13.59
alexei sayle
But... I mean whatever. Whatever the... pros and cons of militants where the You know, the Trotskyist faction within the Labour Party who kind of ran Liverpool.

12:24.54
alexei sayle
And as the political editor of the former political editor of Radio Merseyside said, they never... people voted for them three times it was only It was only Thatcher's.

12:35.29
alexei sayle
shenanigans. force them from office but i mean militant is I mean, I think

12:44.06
alexei sayle
ah Definition of Marxist-Leninist group is that they're very top-down really you've got this very tight caer of political believers. who really Take over.

12:56.21
alexei sayle
institutions and then Pass the power downwards, ready. Do what you know? say that the

13:06.95
alexei sayle
Working through it. I mean, I don't know. But I think. That's the kind of politics in a way that you don't want, that I... react against these days they're kind of political groups that are reacting but then on the other end They were tremendously popular, you know, with the same people who voted for them three times.

13:29.23
Talal K
People are hungry for something different but...

13:33.23
alexei sayle
Yeah, I think too.

13:33.81
Talal K
They're also Just... hungry and you know yeah it's uh makes a big difference if you embed yourself in your community. But I guess most politicians can't be asked to do that.

13:47.40
alexei sayle
No.

13:47.80
Talal K
You mention in your book the quote that says... Politics is just show business for ugly people.

13:53.59
alexei sayle
yeah that's not yeah

13:55.63
Talal K
when you said it you know you you know you said it's not gospel but there's some truth to it but i think that's part of it is that

13:56.02
alexei sayle
I didn't invent that.

14:01.71
Talal K
People get into politics for the wrong reasons, isn't it? It's not because they want to get their hands dirty. It's just they want to...

14:07.26
alexei sayle
Well, yeah, they want to manipulate other people.

14:07.86
Talal K
They want some power and fame.

14:09.31
alexei sayle
Yeah, they want power. and you know They like going to long, tedious, boring meetings. I mean, it is a way if you think about it, you can have more power. As a politician and, you know, like a gang member, you you can have an extraordinary amount of power. If you're some kind of dweeb...

14:26.81
alexei sayle
you can still get yourself incredible power by working your way up there.

14:30.11
Talal K
Especially...

14:31.27
alexei sayle
Parliament.

14:31.20
Talal K
within your realm you know your constituency youre like You're pulling the strings there.

14:34.78
alexei sayle
But also, you're not Ethan. Yeah.

14:36.81
Talal K
And you mentioned, you talk about, I'm currently reading the bit about Linda getting into the Labour Party during the Corbyn years and when this influx of new, young...

14:41.39
alexei sayle
Mmm.

14:46.91
alexei sayle
Hmm.

14:46.67
Talal K
uh activists basically joined the labor party and then you've got the old guards quivering in their boots and

14:52.21
alexei sayle
Oh, they hated that, yeah. They absolutely hated that.

14:54.70
Talal K
like what are these young people who actually want to change shit like no no no no they're just

14:58.26
alexei sayle
Yeah.

14:59.74
Talal K
Fucking. They... They became extremely defensive and fought them with all their might as if

15:05.79
alexei sayle
Yeah.

15:07.04
Talal K
As if it's like... You know, like in Lord of the Rings when the army is like on their last legs and they're fighting the orcs and then. Suddenly on the crest of the hill, you see your backup arrives and 200 ,000 new soldiers come to join your side.

15:22.30
alexei sayle
o

15:23.65
Talal K
And then imagine if they just turned around and shot their cannons at them.

15:25.77
alexei sayle
sir

15:27.08
Talal K
Fuck off.

15:27.58
alexei sayle
Yeah.

15:28.54
Talal K
We're fine. Fuck off.

15:31.01
alexei sayle
Yes.

15:31.59
Talal K
Don't join us.

15:33.14
alexei sayle
Yeah.

15:33.20
Talal K
It's, it's.

15:35.06
alexei sayle
No, well, they didn't. Obviously, the the people that joined under Corbyn had. very different politics that they are. They were old school, the Labour Party were...

15:47.11
alexei sayle
Well, you know, there were Just... awful really but also very right-wing and factional i mean keith starmer was that the embodiment of those people in that i mean they were he was for them the the set, you know, the the the messiah really because he embodied in his extraordinary awfulness i mean just incredible stupidity and nastiness and pettiness and vindictiveness.

16:13.40
Talal K
Hmm.

16:13.84
alexei sayle
which he... Clearly has. with enemy that he they they had all those qualities as well and he was their perfect candidate really And that's one of the things, you see this transformation of the Labour Party, but you see, supposedly, you see like...

16:30.16
alexei sayle
Angela Eagle has been tasked with. re-nationalising wars or whatever. And Angela Eagle was one of the worst. You know, she conspired and have an air constituency party.

16:41.69
alexei sayle
Um, Suspended over completely false allegations. And she's just, you know, but suddenly these people are.

16:52.50
alexei sayle
Or, you know, Yvette Cooper. or these These people are. Suddenly not the people they were under Starmer. Of course they are. They're still the same people. I don't believe that they've changed.

17:05.30
alexei sayle
Hmm. So. Yeah.

17:09.42
Talal K
Murray Bookchin.

17:11.49
alexei sayle
Yeah, The Next Revolution, Murray Bookchin.

17:11.90
Talal K
Um,

17:14.06
alexei sayle
i mean I mentioned him towards the end of the book. Um... And yeah.

17:20.46
Talal K
The Next Revolution is one of his books.

17:20.55
alexei sayle
Read him. Yeah.

17:22.14
Talal K
The Ecology of Freedom. And... He speaks a lot about social ecology.

17:30.95
alexei sayle
Yeah, well, as I understand it, I mean, one of the things Bookchin said... you know was that really you cannot be a revolutionary with it. You have to... Give up your domain.

17:41.70
alexei sayle
over nature. And obviously met. Men have... cannot have control over women. that you can't you know that that everybody has to be free and nature has to be that nature is a very strong part, I think, of of what he is. not also why in rajava you know that women are so So much to the fore.

18:05.48
alexei sayle
That you have to, but you have to. I think, you know, you have to understand that... the the reverence for the planet is also I think, central to his ideas. You know, that you can't have this kind of...

18:18.38
alexei sayle
exploitative capitalism that we live under at the moment. that is i i mean And that is one of the i mean one of the things about... the bearnham is an inherited from starmer is this idea of growth you know the growth is somehow uh, um, um,

18:36.07
Talal K
ah necessary thing like

18:37.17
alexei sayle
Unnecessarily, yeah.

18:38.33
Talal K
you can't live without growth well if we keep growing year by year

18:42.38
alexei sayle
Yeah, the the resources of the planet are finite and therefore...

18:45.43
Talal K
Exactly.

18:46.81
alexei sayle
Um, Yeah. So...

18:50.19
Talal K
Well, I've got a definition of social ecology here. do you want to Should we go through it together?

18:53.45
alexei sayle
Yeah go on.

18:55.04
Talal K
What is social ecology? There's a website, social dash-ecology. dot org. Social ecology, noun. One, a coherent radical critique.

19:05.66
Talal K
of current social, political and anti-ecological trends. Two. a reconstructive ecological communitarian and ethical.

19:15.84
Talal K
approach. to society main points being moral economy ecology of course non-hierarchical Social justice, direct. Democracy. Social ecology advocates a reconstructive and transformative outlook on social and environmental issues.

19:33.89
Talal K
promotes a directly democratic, confederal politics. What's confederal politics?

19:40.19
alexei sayle
I don't know

19:42.47
Talal K
Social ecology envisions a moral economy that moves beyond... scarcity and hierarchy towards a world that re-harmonizes human communities. with the natural world.

19:53.41
Talal K
whilst celebrating diversity, creativity and freedom. well that Sounds. Lovely, doesn't it?

19:59.17
alexei sayle
Yeah. I'm all for all of that. I mean, one of the things when Khan Ross was talking about ra Java and how... Everything is different. decided via these meetings where everybody's Free to speak, I don't know. Quite.

20:12.99
alexei sayle
Amen. I don't know how that works. you like spend every evening in a meeting i don't quite know how that works really you have to I think you probably have to encourage people. As I say, in AA meetings, AA meetings, they have a...

20:27.16
alexei sayle
After you've spoken for three minutes, they hold up a yellow card.

20:30.75
Talal K
Hmm.

20:30.99
alexei sayle
which, um, I think it's probably a good idea already. I wouldn't like to. Think about it.

20:39.10
alexei sayle
You know, our our future society is just these endless meetings that go on for days. right

20:46.00
Talal K
This is something... one there's a list of key points of social ecology one of them is an unabashedly utopian vision. Social ecology upholds the importance of political imagination.

21:00.89
Talal K
of actively envisioning fundamentally different possible ways. of relating to one another. and the rest of the web of life. so like allowing people to just imagine a utopia and work towards something that so many people who are bogged down in a cynical ultra-realistic view.

21:17.91
alexei sayle
Yeah.

21:18.79
Talal K
will never even allow these kind of thoughts.

21:22.88
alexei sayle
Yes, so I think that's true. Yes, we're discouraged from you know having... Utopian thoughts, aren't they? But why not?

21:30.78
Talal K
Mm hmm.

21:31.12
alexei sayle
Dare to dream of a better world.

21:33.35
Talal K
Isn't it? Aim for the stars.

21:35.24
alexei sayle
Yeah.

21:35.90
Talal K
you might hit the moon um Andy Burnham's speech it is over the Labour Party conference.

21:43.11
alexei sayle
Okay.

21:43.47
Talal K
finished on Wednesday. Okay, five key points according to the BBC. from Andy Burnham's speech Or five key takeaways. i don't like articles like this the first takeaways, relaxed vibes, serious content.

22:02.86
Talal K
He wasn't wearing a tie basically.

22:05.13
alexei sayle
Hmm.

22:06.75
Talal K
uh the relaxed ted talk vibe did you watch his speech

22:10.73
alexei sayle
Now I saw a little bit of it on the TV news.

22:14.23
Talal K
So apparently there were a few jokes in stark contrast to Keir Starmer's speech last year. And he didn't mention Nigel Farage. or Kemi Badenoch. once.

22:24.66
alexei sayle
Okay.

22:25.20
Talal K
Um, Okay, number two. bringing back public control you touched on this already so this is a promising thing to see him to see it even being discussed by The top dogs of politics is.

22:37.11
alexei sayle
Hmm.

22:37.77
Talal K
bringing utilities.

22:37.99
alexei sayle
Although I think it will. they They're careful, aren't they? Well, not public control, but I can't remember. it's not like public ownership but it's just more regulation i think is what they're really aiming for We will see. I mean, they have I don't know quite how it works that they're taking, I mean, they're gradually taking.

22:56.36
alexei sayle
Railway companies back into... into public control aren't they like chiltern railways i think it's just who I always found quite good, actually. Well, the interesting thing about Chiltern Railway is that they run to Bicester Shopping Village.

23:09.66
alexei sayle
When you get nervous to near best of the... The, uh... that the train station announcement is in Arabic and Mandarin.

23:18.16
Talal K
Yeah.

23:19.38
alexei sayle
That's why there's English.

23:22.32
Talal K
Yes, Arabs love Bista.

23:24.47
alexei sayle
Mmm.

23:24.53
Talal K
so much. We like to dress richer than we are. So places like Bicester.

23:29.54
alexei sayle
No, right, that's what it is Do you like the outlet shopping?

23:33.12
Talal K
Yeah.

23:36.04
Talal K
Well, much of his speech was aimed at the party faithful with a promise to break with the direction of the past 40 years and put Britain on a new path. bring back traditional labour values.

23:46.86
Talal K
it went down extremely well in the hall 11 standing ovations in just over an hour the first came when he vowed to overturn Thatcher's 1980s reforms. to give the public greater control over housing.

23:59.56
Talal K
water and energy yeah so you're saying it's quite vague language it's not saying will take back ownership.

24:05.10
alexei sayle
Yeah.

24:06.79
Talal K
but including Thatcher's ideological ban on public ownership. of water companies. this would put UK on a 10-year path to a very different water system. no explicit commitment to renationalisation.

24:21.27
Talal K
The pensions triple lock gamble.

24:23.41
alexei sayle
I'm always going to take my pension off me.

24:26.12
Talal K
is that what that means i'm a bit confused by what that means

24:29.13
alexei sayle
I think it's... Guaranteeing that the pension goes up in line either with...

24:34.01
Talal K
Yes.

24:33.84
alexei sayle
inflation or with the retail price index or two and a half percent

24:37.61
Talal K
whichever is higher.

24:39.21
alexei sayle
Yes.

24:41.45
Talal K
generates significant savings to fund his long-held ambition. of creating a national care service. I like that idea.

24:48.42
alexei sayle
Yeah.

24:49.14
Talal K
No one should... be afraid of getting older. and uh

24:53.53
alexei sayle
No, I agree with that

24:54.38
Talal K
not having anyone to care for them.

24:55.67
alexei sayle
Yeah. It's just, like I mean, Linda Boffin points out that our pensions are... By European standards, extremely low. Yeah, a lot more in Spain, for instance, which is not as... you know not by any means as wealthy a country as Britain.

25:13.17
Talal K
So it's the 2 .5%. Higher or lower than what it currently is?

25:18.45
alexei sayle
it It will go up every year, either by 2 .5 % or by the cost of living index, whichever.

25:22.73
Talal K
Yeah. What does it currently do?

25:24.51
alexei sayle
Hi. Hey.

25:25.95
Talal K
What does it do currently?

25:26.28
alexei sayle
Whichever's highest. I don't know. I don't know which. measure they're using in this year. it's either inflation or rage is all. 2 .5%, whichever side, I don't know which.

25:38.31
Talal K
No, but that's what he's saying he wants to happen.

25:42.54
alexei sayle
Now that's all what already happens, isn't it?

25:45.02
Talal K
From April 2030, the state pension would rise every year by inflation or 2 .5. whichever is higher.

25:50.100
alexei sayle
Alright. What happens at the moment?

25:52.43
Talal K
So... That's what I want to Understand.

26:01.54
Talal K
Current pension rates.

26:08.15
Talal K
Good.

26:15.31
Talal K
oh it goes up higher than that

26:19.44
Talal K
The UK state pension is expected to increase by 3 .9 % next year.

26:23.70
alexei sayle
Alright.

26:24.30
Talal K
year driven by average wage growth. Oh, so he's gonna lower that.

26:31.65
Talal K
which will save the government money and allow them to do a national care service which will benefit.

26:35.52
alexei sayle
Yeah.

26:36.11
Talal K
pensioners okay So it's... it's Okay. So in a way, it's kind of. not nationalizing, socializing the pensions.

26:43.73
alexei sayle
Yeah, we'll see what happens. i Yeah.

26:47.04
Talal K
Okay, interesting Electoral reform he's talking about a lot.

26:54.09
alexei sayle
Yep. Wow. Yeah.

26:57.11
Talal K
This pleased me to see I'm not able to Bang his drum, but I'm just...

27:00.46
alexei sayle
Oh.

27:02.37
Talal K
I was pleased to see that he's bringing electoral reform into the conversation.

27:06.35
alexei sayle
But... might make things easier for us. Small revolutionary parties.

27:12.01
Talal K
Yes, make everyone's votes count.

27:12.79
alexei sayle
Get a foothold

27:14.85
Talal K
Everyone's voices heard. He said to cheers.

27:16.05
alexei sayle
but some then Some terrible countries have proportional representation, in Israel being it.

27:21.39
Talal K
Really?

27:21.48
alexei sayle
An example is if if if everybody in the country is a genocidal knock case. It doesn't matter if you have proportional representation. Germany, I think, also has it and that's it.

27:31.89
alexei sayle
terrible Fucking... Shithole.

27:38.22
Talal K
Germany, man, they're shipping...

27:38.32
alexei sayle
So it's not

27:40.40
Talal K
Up to 200 ,000 Syrians back to Syria. Did you see this headline?

27:44.97
alexei sayle
ah Yeah, saw I saw a headline a while ago, yeah. Really, they're fucking, it's a terrible, they haven't, you know. As I've said before...

27:53.01
Talal K
Well, the idea being that Syria is now free, you can...

27:55.66
alexei sayle
Oh, right.

27:55.82
Talal K
it's

27:56.20
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

27:56.60
Talal K
It's not dangerous to go back anymore, which I kind of get. and Uh... You shouldn't force anyone to do anything especially after they've established themselves I have

28:06.16
alexei sayle
They made lives, yeah.

28:08.24
Talal K
I have a number of cousins who have. become refugees in Germany. And... They've settled down. They've gotten married. They have kids so i i think they might be exempt i think it's the ones who haven't done that i'm assuming i'm hoping

28:19.88
alexei sayle
Yeah.

28:25.66
Talal K
But. That's a crazy thing to think but On the other hand, you know Syria's economy would benefit. from getting all those people back.

28:38.21
alexei sayle
Uh...

28:38.20
Talal K
These people these people who have been like have the Western ideals.

28:43.30
alexei sayle
Maybe.

28:43.39
Talal K
have rubbed shoulders with western ideas could go back and help because um ah yeah the syrian government at the moment is scary super Islamic and

28:50.96
alexei sayle
Yeah.

28:52.98
Talal K
But yeah, it's fucked up fucking hell 200 ,000 people.

28:56.37
alexei sayle
Yeah. Fucking Germany.

28:57.23
Talal K
that

28:58.53
alexei sayle
Fuckin' Germany.

28:59.95
Talal K
German. spam.

29:01.36
alexei sayle
Fucking Germans.

29:02.31
Talal K
When it was the last time they... Piled. hundreds of thousands of people onto trains and sent them.

29:07.54
alexei sayle
Yeah.

29:08.15
Talal K
to a particular place

29:09.25
alexei sayle
Yeah.

29:12.02
Talal K
Uh... The fifth takeaway from Burnham's speech.

29:13.99
alexei sayle
The Munich Grand Prix when they laid on special trains, right?

29:18.02
Talal K
Say again?

29:19.26
alexei sayle
Nothing.

29:21.69
Talal K
Okay, the fifth takeaway from Burnham's speech is an emotional tribute to his late.

29:26.39
alexei sayle
a

29:26.71
Talal K
Father.

29:27.48
alexei sayle
Yeah.

29:29.00
Talal K
oh earlier this month died from Alzheimer's.

29:30.95
alexei sayle
He did. He did. I don't quite reason it's true, I just...

29:33.67
Talal K
Oh.

29:35.74
alexei sayle
I do now.

29:40.15
Talal K
Well. That. They're trying. to appeal to both sides of things. Do you know what I feel that my instincts are telling me? An overturning of... The, um...

29:53.56
Talal K
what do you call it about palestine action what's that phrase that word

29:56.79
alexei sayle
Well, the prescription of Palestine action, yes. I mean, that will...

30:00.54
Talal K
i think it's on the cards man

30:00.80
alexei sayle
Until that happens, all everything he says is... written on sand you know

30:06.95
Talal K
hey

30:07.86
alexei sayle
If he finds a way to. And let those poor kids out as well, you know, don't benefit from early release, because they're classed as fucking terrorists. If he doesn't do anything about that then he is...

30:17.35
Talal K
Exactly.

30:18.95
alexei sayle
and is entirely hollow.

30:25.15
alexei sayle
I think.

30:27.88
Talal K
Agreed.

30:30.78
Talal K
Absolutely agree. Come on Burnham, show us. Show us your chutzpah.

30:36.41
alexei sayle
Come on Andy.

30:39.17
alexei sayle
So did you say you've got some questions for me? I'm not...

30:43.88
Talal K
listeners if you like the show and want to support us uh go to patreon .com forward slash alexisale podcast you can see full video episodes of the show there's alexi reacts on there where alexi reacts to shit he's done It's a little show where I show Alexi something he's done and he reacts to it. um And...

31:06.08
Talal K
I met Nigel... Yesterday, by chance, Nigel Planer from The Young Ones.

31:11.29
alexei sayle
Yeah.

31:12.99
Talal K
And he said he's very keen to do more. Nigel, Lisa and Alexi watch. the young ones.

31:18.46
alexei sayle
Okay.

31:19.36
Talal K
But he's doing a book tour of his own at the moment.

31:19.37
alexei sayle
Yeah. He just said news

31:23.34
Talal K
so after yours and his book tour Um... are completed. we will get together and watch and make some new alexi lisa and nigel watch the young ones that's on patreon .com forward slash alexis health podcast there's also The chat room there full of questions.

31:40.72
Talal K
Um, For you.

31:44.99
Talal K
Anthony asks, I saw Alexi's Marple episode today.

31:49.31
alexei sayle
he

31:49.79
Talal K
He's only in it for five minutes, but it's a great performance.

31:53.37
alexei sayle
Yeah.

31:53.71
Talal K
that really wakes the episode up and changes the pace. Also playing a near silent comedy relief. policeman is Do you know?

32:05.35
alexei sayle
Sean Hughes.

32:06.18
Talal K
Sean Hughes, do you have Alexi any Sean Hughes? story. So.

32:12.14
alexei sayle
Really, I didn't know him well. Um, So... Uh, no. No, got no show on it, but he was good. I mean, you know.

32:24.44
alexei sayle
ah I think he was, was he just in that episode as well? It's amazing. amazing cast in that episode Um,

32:32.23
Talal K
Is that with Brian Cox and stuff?

32:33.72
alexei sayle
Brian Cox. Alex Jennings, Sean Hughes. Maxine Peak. you know. Me. It was, that yeah, no, it was good in there.

32:46.89
alexei sayle
Oddly. Joan Collins. Um... Yeah, yeah, so so yeah i'm not always it was what i don't i mean i haven't really last year it used to be i would do one of those things every year and i do a new tricks or a love joy or a Mopula.

33:08.45
alexei sayle
Colby City Hall. casualty but i think The last one I did was casualty. I haven't done one since then.

33:14.71
Talal K
Yes.

33:18.38
alexei sayle
Partly because I don't get asked.

33:21.50
Talal K
You did a Mandy. Uh...

33:23.21
alexei sayle
Oh, Mandy, yeah, but that's because Dan's a friend, yeah.

33:24.01
Talal K
Diane. diane um Anthony goes on to say no Miss Marple has ever beaten Joan Hickson for her multi-layered rendition.

33:35.09
alexei sayle
Yeah, I think they only did one series with Julia McKenzie, didn't they, before they... Finish that.

33:41.87
Talal K
Then he goes on a bit of a rant about the 80s while we're in the 80s the worst thing about Thatcher's era for me were the share sell-offs. The shares were so clearly sold off under price and people would literally talk the next day with no shame.

33:54.45
Talal K
about the killing they made.

33:55.91
alexei sayle
Yeah.

33:56.92
Talal K
Um, all right christy asked did alexia have any interactions with the late either Cutler.

34:03.57
alexei sayle
Huh. Again, I've got... No, not really. He used to teach at Chelsea as well sometimes when I was a student there, I think. Um, But now I had very little to do with him. I think he's funny. I mean, some of his stuff's good.

34:19.19
alexei sayle
I think. Quickie. But I don't know if I ever actually even met, at least I met Sean Hughes.

34:22.26
Talal K
Quickie.

34:25.84
alexei sayle
I met Sean Hughes a few times. Um,

34:31.60
alexei sayle
But I don't know if that I ever met either cut the book I thought she was good. you know I admired his... his work.

34:47.62
Talal K
Okay, how about this one tough fly? asks Hearing that Ronnie Golden has died. He had a small role and as Buddy Holly in The Young Ones and performed at the comic strip.

34:56.74
alexei sayle
Mmm.

34:59.27
Talal K
seemingly up until his last week. Late of a double act with Barry Cryer. Saw him headlining last year. Does Alexi have any memories of Ronnie Golden?

35:09.24
alexei sayle
Well, yeah, we saw Tony DeMere, as his real name was. I was with him whenever me and Nigel and Lisa did that. A young one's thing in Morecambe, which I think was...

35:21.14
alexei sayle
just before the summer. Remember the... Weather there was... But rainy. The winter gardens in Morecambe and E .E. turned up as well. and uh you know he seemed fine then really i remember he came back on the train with nigel Um...

35:40.92
alexei sayle
ah And yeah, it was in a band that was at the Fabulous Poodles. It's sort of comedies. comedy kind of rock and stuff Um,

35:52.83
alexei sayle
ah So, yeah, knew I mean, he's around, you know. i knew him Yet I saw him. a couple of months ago. He was 78, but, you know, that doesn't that's not... Doesn't seem old these days, is there?

36:08.96
alexei sayle
Very good musician. I think constant musician Hmm.

36:15.70
Talal K
The Fabulous Poodles

36:17.15
alexei sayle
Fabulous hurdles, yeah.

36:20.71
alexei sayle
he was in because s stumping on the cat he was in which was a song of his it was in one of those compendiums of stand-up that Paul Jackson did before we did the young ones. And yes, he was Buddy Holly in the old ones.

36:34.66
Talal K
Okay, I have one more.

36:35.70
alexei sayle
Only least knew him.

36:35.72
Talal K
Let's see if this...

36:36.48
alexei sayle
Not well.

36:37.81
Talal K
good

36:37.58
alexei sayle
I did know him.

36:40.06
Talal K
ah Let's see if Connor's question can bring out can manage to find a better memory.

36:42.42
alexei sayle
Yeah, it's good good so far. It's, it's bringing out these great. Anecdotes, isn't it?

36:53.16
Talal K
Connor asks, we'd love to hear more about what sounded like a bad encounter with Spike Milligan. as briefly mentioned in the Roundhouse episode.

37:02.33
alexei sayle
Yeah, right. Well, it wasn't a garden if I ever were to. um I did a benefit for mind at Camden. Town Hall, I think it was. And it was really early. I was pretty early on in my career. And I just remember that...

37:17.24
alexei sayle
Spike Milligan was there and Leslie Crowe there. And Spike hated me and Leslie Carter really liked me. And then, of course, we got Leslie for those of you... We've got Leslie Crowther in to do a very good episode of Stuff.

37:31.93
Talal K
Hmm.

37:32.57
alexei sayle
Because you used to get these messages won't be when television was analogue, you used to get these things, out yeah where we're experiencing interference. And you see this figure in the distance doing my routine. and It... ah Turns out, is as it gets closer, it's Leslie Grather and the announcer says, you know, we're interfering in some...

37:55.14
alexei sayle
We're experiencing some interference from Leslie Crowther at the moment. He was very straight, you know, Cracker Jack, Cracker Jack, and a very straight entertainer. Oh, that's another thing I've got.

38:07.36
alexei sayle
This is a bit... Weird, but we could offer a surprise. but Actually, I've thrown one of them away, but I've got Bobby Chariot's wig. If anybody wants to enter a competition. And his teeth.

38:20.30
alexei sayle
Have I got his teeth or just the mould for his... No, I might just have the mould for his teeth. Um, But if anybody wants to... bow bobby chariot win Bobby Chariot's wig.

38:29.90
Talal K
Bloody hell, Alexei. That's huge! Shouldn't that go to the Museum of Comedy?

38:37.03
alexei sayle
Uh... Oh, that's true. Yeah, maybe.

38:39.59
Talal K
so that everyone can go and look at it.

38:41.94
alexei sayle
Maybe.

38:44.58
alexei sayle
I must have had another one made when I was on tour in Australia. Anyway, I've got... too. I think the better quality one I've thrown away, but there's another. Another one. oh wellll either we'll yeah We'll either donate that to the Museum of Comedy or...

38:58.76
Talal K
you can loan it to the museum.

39:01.15
alexei sayle
Yeah.

39:02.28
Talal K
Um, That's mad.

39:03.60
alexei sayle
But i'll tell I think I've got Bobby's suit somewhere as well. Maybe we'll auction that off or give that to the Museum of Comedy. Or the University of Kent, of course, is the other place.

39:15.70
Talal K
Yes.

39:16.59
alexei sayle
Takes all my crap.

39:17.61
Talal K
Good old Ollie Double.

39:19.45
alexei sayle
Well, you double, huh?

39:22.63
Talal K
Comedy Librarian. Um, Rock hopper.

39:26.17
alexei sayle
Yes, that's true. I should get rid of Bobby's suit. I'm never going to do any of that again, so... i said Yes, I'll either give it to Museum Comedy or if anybody desperately wants it. They want to make a major donation too.

39:39.42
alexei sayle
map.

39:41.04
Talal K
Mmm. All right. Chuck your offers at us. listeners if you don't want to talk to us on the patreon chat room which only members can do, you can email us alexisailpodcast at gmail .com. ah Simon said, after I read about the arrests of activists at the drone engine factory in Shenstone, I went back and listened to episode 40.

40:00.60
Talal K
of the Alexa podcast with AJ from Palestine Action. That was a very good.

40:03.94
alexei sayle
Oh yeah.

40:04.99
Talal K
episode AJ's... passionate advocate and Uh... I recommend you go back and listen to episode 40 as well.

40:13.34
alexei sayle
oh Hello.

40:13.70
Talal K
They are great. great guest. Um,

40:17.01
alexei sayle
Yeah.

40:18.77
Talal K
and

40:19.01
alexei sayle
Since it's just you and me talking, we don't do so much of that, do we really?

40:22.97
Talal K
No, we've got...

40:23.35
alexei sayle
have been people on.

40:27.18
Talal K
Got a couple of good guests lined up. I think I want to get Mick Lynch in on soon. Shall I ask if he's available next week?

40:31.02
alexei sayle
Oh yeah. Okay.

40:35.70
Talal K
Um, We might get Mick Lynch on very soon, listeners, so send us any questions you might have for Mick. Rock Hopper, last one, says shout out for Alexi on the Brian McLair podcast with Ahmed Jalili. I didn't see this.

40:48.73
Talal K
um mentioned seeing him at the Edinburgh Fringe doing an act consisting of five swear words. Any memories of that? Not sure what is going on about here

40:57.12
alexei sayle
No, I don't think I did a podcast with Amal Jalili. Well, unless it was years ago I might have done. Um... Well, it's just, it's just my, you know, my, my character, isn't it?

41:08.24
alexei sayle
If I can't ship it, it's running bollocks, if I can't. Jump post.

41:11.71
Talal K
Oh.

41:12.98
alexei sayle
So that. No. I assume that's what he means. My mod poet character. stream of consciousness

41:23.54
alexei sayle
um Yeah, that was my it's just me swearing.

41:29.62
Talal K
I think... No. It was Omid Jalili appeared as a guest on the Brian McClare podcast. and gave you a shout out.

41:39.33
alexei sayle
Alright. Okay.

41:40.22
Talal K
He was talking about you singing your praises.

41:43.05
alexei sayle
All right, go for him.

41:45.50
Talal K
Um, I did get an email in.

41:51.54
Talal K
Oh my god. This is from Margaret. I'm writing as someone who also had the dubious privilege of growing up with leftist parents. and grandparents, and of discovering at an early age that this could have interesting consequences with peers, neighbors.

42:05.73
Talal K
and particularly school teachers. I am Arthur Scargill's daughter. So like you left-wing politics was very much part of my everyday life when I was growing up Give us a quick reminder of who Arthur Scargill is.

42:20.82
alexei sayle
Arthur Scalgo was the president of the National Union. My work has joined and called the... the 1984 strike of my memories which resulted in them.

42:34.57
alexei sayle
getting beaten.

42:37.40
Talal K
My paternal grandfather who lived with us was a card-carrying communist until the day he died and dad had been a member of the YCL before I was born Our mutual friend Maxine Peake mentioned your new book to me a few months ago. I've also read and thoroughly enjoyed your other books and enjoy the podcast you do with. taal Oh, thanks, Margaret.

42:56.64
alexei sayle
Yeah. I mean. Yeah.

42:58.42
Talal K
There's more. There's more. It was your reflections about Norman Greenfield.

42:59.79
alexei sayle
All right

43:03.04
Talal K
and his Barnsley tour bus that prompted me to contact you. Norman used to call at our house regularly when I was a child. and had The appearance of a mild-mannered uncle. very much at odds with his revolutionary ideas.

43:19.39
Talal K
he will ah He was also something of a local minor celebrity, known for his feats of strength. he mentored feats of strength he mentored a young arthur scargill in weight training at the gym and gave local displays of his physical prowess including apparently pulling a bus with his teeth

43:39.48
Talal K
um Looking back it was a pretty extraordinary childhood. I'm a little younger than you But Cold War suspicions were still high, so my family's choice of holiday destinations made us rather open to suspicion. My most memorable communist block trip as a child was a five-week delegation tour.

43:57.53
Talal K
of the USSR in the early 1970s. We traveled through the Donbass region. visited Stalin's Dhaka or Dacha?

44:06.84
alexei sayle
Dasha, Dasha, Dasha.

44:08.06
Talal K
Tasha.

44:08.91
alexei sayle
Gotcha. Gotcha.

44:10.09
Talal K
What's Stalin's Dasher?

44:12.25
alexei sayle
This is country house.

44:13.66
Talal K
Oh.

44:14.55
alexei sayle
I think that's where he died, or at least he is in the film.

44:14.98
Talal K
his villa. And spent a number of days in Leningrad and Moscow, where we saw Lenin lying in state at the mausoleum in Red Square.

44:17.85
alexei sayle
Yeah.

44:24.34
Talal K
Fucking hell, Margaret, what a life. This visit also saw us spending a week in Pitsonda. the seaside resort where Khrushchev used to holiday.

44:35.90
Talal K
Dad. However, almost drowned in the Black Sea, history perhaps would have taken a very different path.

44:40.68
alexei sayle
Hmm.

44:40.98
Talal K
my mother not rescued him. Okay, nearly done here unlike you I decided from a very early age that politics was definitely not for me. and ended up following a career in medicine.

44:51.42
Talal K
Well done, Margaret. I remain politically on the left.

44:53.07
alexei sayle
Yeah. Who's that?

44:54.77
Talal K
but get very frustrated by the factionalism and infighting. Congrats on the new book. I've thoroughly enjoyed reading it. Not a single question in there, just a lovely story.

45:05.48
alexei sayle
Very nice, yeah.

45:05.50
Talal K
Um, Sounds like a similar upbringing to yours.

45:09.61
alexei sayle
Very, yeah.

45:09.82
Talal K
actually

45:10.16
alexei sayle
I mean, obviously, Art Scalga was a much more... was much more prominent in the media than my father. Uh... So...

45:22.39
alexei sayle
But yeah, that's fascinating. Well done for pursuing a career in... medicine as well. Uh... Yeah. um Thank you for your kind comments. it's Much appreciated.

45:38.93
Talal K
Absolutely, Margaret. um I'm kind of interested in perhaps... Adding a few more of your projects onto the ranking before we sign off on the podcast. Would you be up for that?

45:49.49
alexei sayle
all Alright. And quickly.

45:52.59
Talal K
quickly

45:54.33
alexei sayle
We've got 10 ,000 views on. YouTube, do you think this will get rid of them, this podcast? id

46:01.11
Talal K
If last week didn't then I don't know

46:03.49
alexei sayle
Yeah.

46:04.02
Talal K
It seems we might be immune.

46:08.21
Talal K
Okay, I've got the ranking. Here it is. my god i hate sometimes Here we go. All right, so far.

46:20.57
Talal K
I'm going to go from number 13, Fun Boy 3, the music video, The Telephone Always Rings, then the Walcott episode, Lost for Words. comic strip movie. Repeater. trans reese mogrification hello john got a new motor at number seven the music video boom boom out go the lights is at number six then the top five are the lenny henry show appearances Whoops Apocalypse, the TV show.

46:46.13
Talal K
celebration this alexis sale hour number two is gawky park and number one It's the young ones. Is anything ever going to... Knock the young ones off the top spot.

46:56.85
alexei sayle
oh Possibly. It's been weird though going through all, I've thrown out loads of stuff. cassette recordings of concerts over the years and vhs's are the young ones and stuff i threw out

47:13.86
alexei sayle
i should have all answered them earlier it's been ah it's been a bit weird going through

47:15.60
Talal K
Yeah, what are you thinking?

47:18.76
alexei sayle
It's giving me the color.

47:18.86
Talal K
Well, I know the feeling when you've got you know stacks of shit and you need to clear it out and it's been building over you just need you get into a ruthless mindset otherwise you'll never do it right

47:22.59
alexei sayle
Yeah.

47:29.60
Talal K
And so...

47:30.09
alexei sayle
Yeah.

47:30.90
Talal K
You might make...

47:31.23
alexei sayle
I feel a bit bereft now.

47:33.35
Talal K
You might make some regretful choices, but...

47:34.27
alexei sayle
Asra. i Yeah, throwing that back.

47:36.56
Talal K
It's for the best overall.

47:37.16
alexei sayle
just though Thank you for saying that.

47:40.55
Talal K
We can't be holding hoarding things like that for years. you know I've had to do it.

47:43.88
alexei sayle
No.

47:45.67
Talal K
boxes of old stuff from my school. years and stuff i've held on to just sentimentally but

47:48.89
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yes, that's true.

47:52.19
Talal K
And never look at it.

47:52.13
alexei sayle
I was looking Yeah. I just did Sean Walsh's podcast, The Classic Clown. He seemed very nice. Um, But he was we were talking about school days. I said, oh yeah I got on all right in school.

48:04.83
alexei sayle
And then... ah linda found a report of from the fifth year you know school report Fucking hell, I did badly.

48:13.62
Talal K
Ha ha.

48:15.33
alexei sayle
ah Much worse than I thought, really. Every teacher was like... He once said he puts more. effort into being eccentric than he does. You know. studying which which sounded about right but it was much more i thought i was like a b student or something but most of these are c's d's and f's really

48:33.79
Talal K
Oh no.

48:35.03
alexei sayle
Yeah, and I'm surprised they let me come back to the sixth one. But then then they didn't and they told me not to come back. but um Yeah, I've done much worse than I thought, really.

48:47.35
Talal K
Okay, so we've...

48:48.34
alexei sayle
Anyway, we did we had we it was very we had a nice time, me and Sean Walsh.

48:48.51
Talal K
but

48:51.71
alexei sayle
It was very nice. I don't know when that comes out, but...

48:53.09
Talal K
that's nice i gotta look that up god Alexi fans.

48:55.28
alexei sayle
Didn't talk about the book at all, but just talked about comedy, really. Which is Ashad.

49:00.08
Talal K
Well, he's a bit of a comedy nerd, isn't he? He'd have a lot of things to ask you.

49:02.25
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.

49:04.02
Talal K
So yeah, Alexi fans, Alexi Sale fans are spoilt for choice these last couple of weeks.

49:04.01
alexei sayle
Yeah.

49:08.39
Talal K
of

49:08.65
alexei sayle
I know, all over the fucking place, yeah.

49:09.43
Talal K
places to catch you. But don't forget. The hearth. of Alexi's activities is right here on the Alexi's Health Podcast.

49:14.46
alexei sayle
Yeah, this is...

49:17.69
Talal K
This is where you get the true Alexi.

49:17.79
alexei sayle
Yeah.

49:20.48
Talal K
the laid-back casual. Um, barely any energy.

49:26.79
alexei sayle
Yeah.

49:26.62
Talal K
version of Alexi. All right. The last thing we added to the list was your appearances on the Lenny Henry show from 1984.

49:33.75
alexei sayle
Right.

49:33.90
Talal K
Also in 1984, you did one episode. of something called Give Us a Break.

49:40.72
alexei sayle
Yes.

49:41.77
Talal K
Um, The picture is... four guys and a snooker table is this a

49:46.22
alexei sayle
Yes. It was a snooker. It was a snooker. themed Drama, comedy drama starring Robert Lindsay.

49:57.62
alexei sayle
Mel Smith Played his manager, I think. And... um

50:05.54
Talal K
Paul McGann, Shirin Taylor.

50:07.25
alexei sayle
Yeah. Boom again, yeah. And I don't remember. we I remember we filmed it in Snooker Hall just off. And I hope and... And the director had invented...

50:20.48
alexei sayle
You have this. This kind of remote control. camera system that swooped and

50:27.37
Talal K
Wow

50:27.58
alexei sayle
We spent all day waiting for it to work, I seem to remember. But that was it was fit Friendly with Robert Lindsay for a while after that.

50:39.32
alexei sayle
I'm home again.

50:39.78
Talal K
I'm not sure if Nelson...

50:40.34
alexei sayle
And Paul McGann, of course, drove a a Rover P5. I may still... Drive a Rover. We both drove Rover P5B coupes.

50:51.03
Talal K
I'm not sure Mel Smith was in it. There's David Ducker. Alan Ford.

50:54.68
alexei sayle
there Wasn't Mel Smith in it? I've hallucinated that then.

50:57.24
Talal K
David Sibley.

50:58.56
alexei sayle
I don't know yet. I knew those people.

51:01.76
Talal K
Give us a break.

51:03.65
alexei sayle
Give us a break.

51:05.02
Talal K
All right, so what do you reckon then? ah Give us a break. should rank Let's go. in the middle Okay, do you think it was better or worse than...

51:19.68
Talal K
Boom boom out go the lights

51:21.54
alexei sayle
Oh, well, Moonbeam Blacklight was more important, really.

51:25.74
Talal K
Okay.

51:27.66
alexei sayle
It was just one-off in some... Thing I can't remember what I did or who I played or anything.

51:35.27
Talal K
This is important to information. The ranking is your own personal ranking. You can rank it for any reason. So not. as important as Boom Boom. So what about...

51:43.52
alexei sayle
No.

51:44.33
Talal K
Hello, John Cotton, your motor music video.

51:46.16
alexei sayle
Oh, that's important than that.

51:47.62
Talal K
Yeah. What about Transmogrification, 1980?

51:50.78
alexei sayle
Yes, let's put it before transmogrification.

51:53.31
Talal K
above.

51:54.64
alexei sayle
Yeah.

51:56.01
Talal K
All right, give. Us. Uh... Break.

52:03.42
Talal K
1984, thrilling stuff. That goes in at number eight.

52:08.58
alexei sayle
Okay.

52:08.85
Talal K
All right, next up is your two episodes of Doctor Who, 1985.

52:10.93
alexei sayle
But Jesus. Well, they sort of might give me ah an extra income stream. to go into those. you know once a year doing comic cons or i just did one called film fair

52:23.76
Talal K
he

52:24.49
alexei sayle
Um, So I put that fairly high already just because it... That enables me to make a few bob every year.

52:31.45
Talal K
And it's one of the things that people approach you and talk to you about a lot, isn't it?

52:34.50
alexei sayle
Yeah.

52:35.22
Talal K
oh I loved your Doctor Who.

52:35.38
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.

52:37.23
Talal K
People are obsessed. More better than whoops apocalypse the TV show

52:43.27
alexei sayle
well i don't david the The writers of that are friends of mine. so

52:47.47
Talal K
Okay. but but higher than Lenny Henry's show.

52:50.74
alexei sayle
Yes.

52:52.13
Talal K
okay excellent

52:52.81
alexei sayle
You know Lenny, he's a friend of mine as well. Yeah.

52:55.50
Talal K
Yeah, but this was I think more iconic for you. was Doctor Who.

52:58.48
alexei sayle
Yeah.

53:00.55
Talal K
All right, we'll just do one or two more. I think we should do two more because there's a good one coming, okay?

53:03.56
alexei sayle
Oh

53:05.99
Talal K
ah Also in 1985.

53:05.79
alexei sayle
Yeah.

53:08.31
Talal K
something called arena was this your History of the Ford Cortina.

53:12.76
alexei sayle
Yeah, just the full cutscene, yeah.

53:14.49
Talal K
That's another iconic Alexi moment, I think.

53:16.50
alexei sayle
It is, yeah.

53:16.74
Talal K
in your oeuvre.

53:18.31
alexei sayle
Mmm.

53:19.54
Talal K
Your Arena episode, 1985.

53:21.25
alexei sayle
Yep. That's very important, very seminal.

53:23.67
Talal K
And...

53:24.97
alexei sayle
I put that high up.

53:26.79
Talal K
high up

53:28.16
alexei sayle
Yeah.

53:28.19
Talal K
Above whoops apocalypse.

53:30.25
alexei sayle
Yes.

53:31.06
Talal K
Above Celebration, the Alexis Sale Hour.

53:34.33
alexei sayle
Yes.

53:36.02
Talal K
Below Gawky Park, I'm guessing?

53:38.71
alexei sayle
Yeah, okay

53:40.32
Talal K
or above.

53:41.71
alexei sayle
I put it a above, I tell you.

53:43.08
Talal K
Okay. Below the young ones?

53:45.83
alexei sayle
Yes.

53:46.81
Talal K
So it comes in at number two.

53:48.47
alexei sayle
Oh my god.

53:50.14
Talal K
arena. 1985. Fuck me. Breaking the top five. um, Any memories of making that?

53:58.57
alexei sayle
No, you haven't mate.

53:59.08
Talal K
Anything you want to say?

54:01.56
alexei sayle
Yeah. um I remember because we had the scene and I'd written this song, which actually isn't very good, but... We had a real Ryan. We were lobbing in it, robbing in it. It was the salesman which came with it. I can't remember his name. Let's call him Mr. Mr. Featherington.

54:19.95
Talal K
Yes, of course.

54:20.85
alexei sayle
I said, i Mr. Featherington, it's really difficult getting in and out of this. Reliant. And he said, Cor, look at the size of you. And he said... the Well...

54:33.15
alexei sayle
It's only small. people can drive reliance. I don't know Seemed important at the time. Um,

54:40.70
Talal K
Yeah.

54:41.46
alexei sayle
It was a man who was living in denial, I think, but about the the terrible shitty three-wheel cars he was selling.

54:41.58
Talal K
That's free.

54:48.54
Talal K
Fucking shit car. Uh,

54:50.77
alexei sayle
I really bad.

54:51.47
Talal K
Mr Bean outsmarted it every time. um Okay, this last one. Okay, by the way, give us a break. on imdb got 7 .8 out of 10 stars this is its rating doctor who 8 .4 of course are 7 .7 and this last one will do today He's also from 1985.

55:10.28
Talal K
It's something called The Bride.

55:12.42
alexei sayle
Heh heh.

55:12.94
Talal K
5 .4 stars

55:13.04
alexei sayle
That's the the movie I did with. Sting and Jennifer Bales.

55:16.99
Talal K
Correct.

55:17.70
alexei sayle
which is a feminist re- reimagining of The Bride of Frankenstein.

55:24.79
Talal K
And you play a circus kind of ringleader.

55:27.81
alexei sayle
Mega, yes. that's a cruel circus owner

55:33.57
Talal K
Oh, Clancy Brown is in this film.

55:35.55
alexei sayle
Yeah.

55:36.15
Talal K
I love him

55:37.29
alexei sayle
He's great. It's very funny. I've told, I must have, I'm sure I've told that. Should we do, it will we should we save this for next time and let's do... Yeah, because I've got lots of stories about... um Making of The Bride

55:50.40
Talal K
Okay, we've heard some, but...

55:50.55
alexei sayle
But should we save that for another episode?

55:53.08
Talal K
Okay.

55:53.49
alexei sayle
We could do ah but another another bride.

55:54.20
Talal K
Oh, my God. Carrie Elwes. Phil Daniels.

55:57.93
alexei sayle
Yeah, he was probably, yeah.

55:59.94
Talal K
We've spoken about the bride many times, but I'm sure there's many more stories about it.

56:02.78
alexei sayle
Oh, well, then... I don't know.

56:04.48
Talal K
no No, no, no, no. I've not heard the Clancy Brown story.

56:05.58
alexei sayle
Devi Rapaport.

56:08.77
Talal K
David Rappaport story. Oh, from Time Bandits.

56:10.46
alexei sayle
Mm hmm.

56:13.38
Talal K
Okay, I'm not adding bride to the list. You spend a week thinking about your bride memories, Alexi.

56:18.02
alexei sayle
Mmm.

56:18.61
Talal K
We'll come back next week and talk about it. That's been, I think that's time.

56:22.86
alexei sayle
Yeah, that's, yeah, modern enough.

56:23.06
Talal K
um uh Listeners, please follow Alexis L Pod on Instagram. I'm Talala Kazam on Instagram. If you want to give me a follow.

56:32.92
alexei sayle
Yeah.

56:34.02
Talal K
Follow the YouTube channel, Alexis L.

56:34.22
alexei sayle
Please love foot yeah Follow all my other podcasts that I'm on.

56:36.28
Talal K
Official.

56:38.66
alexei sayle
Well, much more energetic than on this one.

56:42.79
Talal K
Yeah, but always come back home

56:44.12
alexei sayle
I always come back, yeah.

56:44.58
Talal K
right This is your home. This is Saylovia.

56:47.23
alexei sayle
Yeah.

56:47.39
Talal K
Um... And consider joining the Patreon. All the links, interesting links, are in the description of the podcast. Alexis Sale, any last words?

56:56.72
alexei sayle
And now just... um Uh. Yeah. No, I'm ah just... um Think about who wants what from all the... Treasure of Ducup.

57:08.86
alexei sayle
must storage units.

57:13.34
alexei sayle
And...

57:16.48
alexei sayle
Think about that. Think about. Yeah. This is...

57:20.19
Talal K
I might come over next week and take some pictures.

57:21.82
alexei sayle
Yeah, come over and you go through whatever's left, I should know. I mean, you could have, I think I've thrown them. Oh, that's probably still, sir. Yeah, you could have a cassette recorder, never. A gig I did in Nottingham in 1985 or something. He really wanted.

57:36.18
alexei sayle
Except I think it might be in the skip.

57:38.01
Talal K
I just want to come and document this stuff.

57:38.70
alexei sayle
on how you're helping.

57:40.19
Talal K
so i can post it on instagram and stuff you know let people see it

57:43.27
alexei sayle
Yeah, of set yeah.

57:44.56
Talal K
Oh, Alexi's disconnected.

57:46.03
alexei sayle
Let's do that then. Yeah, all right, come over next week.

57:49.23
Talal K
All right, then.

57:50.35
alexei sayle
Alright. Everybody. Bye-bye.

57:55.06
Talal K
Now, during our recording it seemed to... have disconnected and reconnected a number of times. so Please.

57:59.74
alexei sayle
Yeah.

58:01.24
Talal K
If you need to... I'm going to go to the toilet. I'm stopping the recording now, but don't close the page as usual, please.

58:04.49
alexei sayle
Right. Alright.