rich 1.0 John Wayne Gacy murdered at least 33 young men and boys. But for years after his conviction, attorney Karen Conti sat across from him on death row, trying to understand the man behind one of America’s most infamous serial murder cases. In this episode of UNMARKED, Conti describes what Gacy was really like behind closed doors: his manipulation, emotional detachment, need for control, and the contradictions that made him so difficult to fully understand. We also examine modern psychological and criminological research surrounding psychopathy, trophy-taking, victim selection, and the environmental patterns that shape serial killers. Why did Gacy keep victims beneath his own home when most serial killers attempt to distance themselves from the crime? What did he reveal in private that the public never saw? And what happens when someone spends years speaking directly with a man the world has already reduced to a monster? Show Notes: Walter, M., Beauregard, E., & Chopin, J. (2024). Trophy, souvenir, or simple theft? Taking items from the victim in sexual homicide. Behavioral Sciences & the Law, 42(4), 338–353. More from Karen Conti here: https://www.karenconti.com/ Follow James Buddy Day  on Instagram: @jamesbuddyday Lean is having a Huge Memorial Day Sale. Visit http://takelean.com and enter THANK YOU 25 for 25% off. When writing Buddy uses FÜM — don’t just try to quit. Upgrade the habit loop: .https://tryfum.com/unmarked If you want to go deeper into the Charles Manson case, Buddy’s  book Charles Manson: The Last Words:  https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GQ6QRVQ7 For those who want to examine the evidence directly, complete phone calls and documents are available inside UNMARKED: Case Files, our research portal, along with ad-free episodes: https://www.patreon.com/Unmarked_TrueCrimePodcast UNMARKED: A True Crime Podcast is hosted by Audioboom. UNMARKED: A True Crime Podcast https://audioboom.com/channels/5167828-unmarked-a-true-crime-podcast Audioboom https://audioboom.com 480 95 https://audioboom.com/i/43648705/600x600/c 600 600 <iframe width="100%" height="95" src="https://embeds.audioboom.com/posts/8904141/embed?v=202301" style="background-color: transparent; display: block; padding: 0; width: 100%" frameborder="0" allowtransparency="allowtransparency" scrolling="no" title="Audioboom player" allow="autoplay" sandbox="allow-downloads allow-forms allow-popups allow-same-origin allow-scripts allow-storage-access-by-user-activation allow-top-navigation-by-user-activation"></iframe>