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The New Alternative
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In March 2022 an unusual entry made it onto the Billboard Hot 100 chart. 90s grunge band Nirvana entered the chart for only their fifth time in history with the 1991 track “Something In The Way.” The song’s success is owed to being heavily featured in the 2022 reboot of The Batman. According to director Matt Reeves, Kurt Cobain inspired the brooding performance of Robert Pattinson, who plays th...
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Jumpstarting the creative process with Allison Ponthier 
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Allison Ponthier knows that the hardest part of making anything is getting started. For the New York based Texan singer/songwriter, “starting the song is so difficult.” When she was young she “always wanted to write songs,” fanatically scribbled rhymes in a diary. But she gave it up as an adolescent. The prevailing narratives of natural talent, artistic genius and spontaneous inspiration nearly...
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263: A Higher Power Ballad
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There was something different about Justin Bieber’s performance of his hit song “Peaches” at the 2022 Grammy Awards. The recorded version, which spent thirty weeks on the Billboard Hot 100 chart, opens with a full-blast chorus featuring driving percussion and ringing guitars. But performing live, the song’s instrumentation was stripped down, with Bieber alone at a grand piano, crooning into the...
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<span><span class="js-time" data-epochtime="1649754000" data-format="short_date">Apr 12, 2022</span></span>
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How sound becomes hearing
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We love listening to music at a ridiculous level of detail. But the other day we heard a podcast that made us fundamentally question the accuracy and reliability of our own listening skills. In it they played a familiar melody, “Yankee Doodle,” in such a way that we couldn’t recognize it at all. Our brain plays so many auditory tricks on us — some truly spectacular and unexplainable. In fact th...
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<span><span class="js-time" data-epochtime="1649188082" data-format="short_date">Apr 05, 2022</span></span>
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262: Listening 2 Britney: Gimme More
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There’s no more iconic Britney lyric than the opening of “Gimme More.” It&#39;s 2007, four years since her last album In The Zone was released, and Britney is affirmatively back with the uptempo track leading off her album Blackout: “It’s Britney, Bitch.” The song echoes the dance-pop Neptunes sound of “I’m A Slave 4 U.” It&#39;s built around a driving riff and off-kilter drums produced by Floyd Nathan...
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261: Listening 2 Britney: Toxic
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In 2003 Britney Spears released “Toxic,” a song that would make converts out of pop skeptics, be named one of the greatest tracks of the 21st century by multiple publications, and become a personal favorite of Switched on Pop.

Despite its success, when “Toxic” was released as the second single from Spears’s fourth album, In the Zone, even the song’s writers thought it was too “weird” to become...
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Listening 2 Britney: ...Baby One More Time
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On a crisp Autumn morning in 1998, the world was introduced to the voice of Britney Spears, and pop would never be the same. Britney’s mix of vocal fry, percussive pronunciations, and timbral play on “...Baby One More Time” hadn&#39;t been heard before. As successful as they were, these techniques were derided by critics as parts of her manufactured “baby voice.&quot; Listening in 2022, we can hear Brit...
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258: Chartbreakers (ft. Megan Thee Stallion and the Red Hot Chili Peppers)
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Presenting Chartbreakers, in which Nate and Charlie listen to the Billboard Hot 100 chart from top to bottom and discover a TikTok controversy, a Nashville music mystery, a rogue duck-billed platypus, and Megan Thee Stallion&#39;s debut piano concerto.
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Gayle - abcdefu
Muni Long - hrs and hrs
Ckay - Love Nwantiti (Ah Ah Ah)
Dustin Lynch featuring Lauren Alaina or Mackenzie Porter - ...
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257: Leon Bridges and Khruangbin Sing a Song of Texas
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Leon Bridges is the soul singer hailing from Fort Worth, Texas, who burst onto the music scene in 2015 with the album Coming Home. Since then he’s established himself as an adventurous musician whose latest album Gold Diggers Sound combines retro sounds with contemporary production. Khruangbin is the Houston-based power trio——Mark Speer on guitar, Laura Lee on bass, and DJ Johnson on drums—who ...
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256: Shaking Out the Numb with Sylvan Esso
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The last proper, blowout concert Charlie attended was devastatingly long ago, back in the winter of 2019. Bringing some funk to buttoned-up Walt Disney Concert Hall, the duo Sylvan Esso rocked Charlie’s world with epic performances of songs like “Die Young.” When live music, and the world, shut down shortly after—well, it was a great note to go out on. 

Now, that moment comes full circle, as S...
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255: We *do* talk about Bruno
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The number one song on the charts is a bit of a mystery. “We Don’t Talk About Bruno” is the unlikely hit from Disney’s sleeper animated musical Encanto. Set in a  mountainous village in Colombia, the film was a middling commercial success when it was released in Nov 2021. But in recent months it has become a pop culture phenomenon for a confluence of reasons: an expansive discourse on Colombian...
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Elvis Costello burst onto the music scene in 1977 with the album My Aim Is True. Songs like “Alison” established him as a powerful new voice in rock. His next album, This Year’s Model, introduced hits like “Pump it Up,” which has resounded through stadiums and arenas across the country ever since. 

From then on he released album after album, decade after decade, becoming a force to be reckoned...
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253: Accidental Kpop star Eric Nam quits the system
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Eric Nam is an accidental K-pop star. Growing up in Atlanta, and graduating from college in Boston, he did not expect that in his twenties he’s sign to a K-pop label, be named 2016 Man of the year by GQ Korea, and become a go-to television personality in South Korea. His music, imbued with his charisma and charm has charted globally. As fun as it is, the K-pop machine can be a real grind — it c...
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Dawn FM is The Weeknd’s most narratively compelling album yet. More than just a collection of eighties-nostalgia single bait, Dawn FM is a concept album that picks up on a multi-year meta narrative. Abel Tesfaye, seemingly killed off his character at the end of his last album, After Hours. Getting caught up in the “Blinding Lights” of fame and excess, the narrator ends up overdosing in the back...
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Why are there no new Christmas songs? One one hand, there&#39;s more holiday songs than we’ll ever need. Every year pop stars drop countless holiday-themed album.
But despite the annual glut of Christmas releases, few of these new songs join the rotation of holiday classics. On Billboard&#39;s Holiday Hot 100 chart right now, there&#39;s only four songs from the past ten years that have made it to the top ...
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<span><span class="js-time" data-epochtime="1640080800" data-format="short_date">Dec 21, 2021</span></span>
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250: Tai Verdes TikTok-ed his way to a breakout hit
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Whether you’re a TikTok fanatic, or the app’s K-hole-inducing stream of content has forced you to delete it from your phone, its influence on music is undeniable. In 2020 the platform bragged that over 70 artists on the platform signed with major labels. TikTok’s success was linked to pandemic-related stay-at-home orders -- people were stuck at home and musicians couldn’t tour. And while trendi...
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249: Robert Plant &amp; Alison Krauss Raise The Roof
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Robert Plant is in his own words “cold” and “prickly” while speaking about his new album with Alison Krauss, Raise The Roof. First thing upon joining the Zoom call from London, Plant jovially launches into the much misattributed quote “talking about music is like dancing about architecture.” But he is neither callous, nor coy. For Plant the music is ineffable, a joyous celebration of friendship...
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248: The Beatles get back to their roots
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2021 marks the 50th anniversary of the release of the Beatles’ final album, Let it Be. To commemorate the occasion, the remaining members of the band have remixed the album and unleashed an eight-hour-plus documentary directed by Peter Jackson that lays bare the making of the record. For super-fans this video memoir reveals a lot about the messiness of the creative process: The Beatles nearly b...
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247: Taylor, Adele &amp; Silk Sonic’s broken hearts club
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This week we are having a blast feeling really sad. Guest Brittany Luse, cohost of the acclaimed podcast For Colored Nerds, joins Nate and Charlie to dig into this fall&#39;s slate of breathtaking breakup albums from Adele, Kacey Musgraves, Summer Walker, and Mitski.
Some have been calling this confluence of releases, &quot;sad girl autumn,&quot; but the melancholy moment goes beyond gender, with even Bruno ...
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<span><span class="js-time" data-epochtime="1637661600" data-format="short_date">Nov 23, 2021</span></span>
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246: Snotty Nose Rez Kids on hip hop and Indigenous protest
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Merging hip hop and Indigenous culture, rap duo Snotty Nose Rez Kids are creating a sound that goes hard for a cause. On tracks like “War Club” with DJ Shub, Young Tribz and Yung D connect Indigenous protests to the Black Lives Matter movement, and on “Boujee Natives,” Snotty Nose Rez Kids celebrate traditional culture through a modern lens. But as much as this music has a message, it also bang...
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<span><span class="js-time" data-epochtime="1637056800" data-format="short_date">Nov 16, 2021</span></span>
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245: The State of the Pop Union
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From time to time, it is our constitutional duty to provide an update to the people on the current state of pop. What are the sounds? Who’s making the hits? What are they singing about? We take the musical temperature by consulting the charts, the platforms, and the people.
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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244: Why ABBA songs just hit different
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Swedish supergroup ABBA is releasing their first album in forty years, making this the perfect time for Nate and Charlie to investigate what makes their music so beloved and reviled in equal measure. For every ABBA stan, there’s a hater lurking, like legendary pop critic Robert Christgau, who once said of the group: “We have met the enemy, and they are them.” That suspicion was earned through A...
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The Healing Power of Pop with Esperanza Spalding
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It’s. been. a year. We’ve felt it, you’ve felt it. Sometimes it’s comforting to consider how universally-shared that overwhelming sense of blah is. Other days, woof - it can be tough to see the light. That’s the subject of today’s episode, brought to you by our producer Megan Lubin.

When Megan hit an especially low point earlier this year, she noticed something in the music she was listening t...
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Janet Jackson&#39;s Legacy After &#39;Control&#39; from It&#39;s Been A Minute with Sam Sanders
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Sam Sanders is one of our favorite friends of the podcast. His NPR show, It&#39;s Been A Minute, has released an outstanding three part series exploring crossover in pop music. We want to share with you the 2nd episode form that series on the legacy of Janet Jackson.

From It&#39;s Been A Minute
On the 35th anniversary of Janet Jackson&#39;s first No. 1 Billboard Hot 100 hit, we look back at Control, her c...
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242: James Bond and the Sound of Spycraft
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The latest installment of the James Bond franchise, No Time To Die, closes the book on the Daniel Craig era of the international superspy. The film’s theme song, “No Time to Die,” by Billie Eilish, Finneas, and Hans Zimmer, also marks the conclusion of one of the great musical sagas in recent cinema. Monty Norman’s and John Barry’s now-iconic “James Bond Theme,” written for 1962’s Dr. No, has r...
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241: James Blake &amp; The Return of Harmony
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For a decade James Blake has crafted an idiosyncratic sound. His early work as a minimalist electronic producer fused lush R&amp;B chords with lyrical collage and unfiltered synthesizers. He describes his hit 2013 song “Retrograde” as apocalyptic yet also romantic. This single was in stark contrast to the bubblegum pop of the early 2010s. But other artists recruited him to spread his subversive son...
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240: Sparkle spoke out against R Kelly. It cost her her career.
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On this week’s episode we&#39;re sharing a story fromThe Cut where senior writer Angelina Chapin and co-host Jazmín Aguilera talk about and talk with Sparkle (born Stephanie Edwards), who first reported R. Kelly to the police for allegedly sexually abusing her 14-year-old niece. Back then, no one believed her, but following the explosive documentary Surviving R. Kelly and the R&amp;B artist’s trial, at...
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216: The Mystery of Montero AKA Lil Nas X (feat. Take A Daytrip)
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Lil Nas X has a talent for creating productive controversy. First with “Old Town Road,” he challenged expectations about blackness in country music. Now with “Montero (Call Me By Your Name),” he takes aim at anti LGBTQ+ messages propagated by the religious dogma from his youth (he came out as gay during Pride 2019). The song describes a romantic encounter without innuendo. Sure it’s raunchy, bu...
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239: Deja Vu: Why Olivia Rodrigo keeps giving up songwriting credits 
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In the last few years music copyright claims have skyrocketed. More and more artists are giving songwriting credits away. Frequently, credits are given retroactively to avoid the cost of long jury trials like when Sam Smith credited Tom Petty. Smith’s melody for “Stay With Me” clearly drew from Petty’s “I Won’t Back Down.” On rare occasions these cases go to court, where music litigation is at ...
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238: CHVRCHES and the sound of 80s horror
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CHVRCHES is well-known for their comprehensive use of synthesizers and their updated take on “synthpop”, a subgenre of pop we most closely associated with the 1980s. While gearing up to make their second album in 2015, CHVRCHES members Iain Cook and Martin Doherty spent much of the recording budget buying up many of the original synthesizers used to make those iconic 80s dance tracks. Contempor...
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237: From Taylor Swift to Bon Iver, Aaron Dessner Finds Meaning in Musical Community
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On August 27th Big Red Machine, the joint musical project of Justin Vernon and Aaron Dessner - artists known for their work as Bon Iver and in the rock band The National, respectively - returned with new music. You’ve most definitely heard Dessner’s production work elsewhere, like on Taylor Swift’s pandemic albums evermore and folklore. The Big Red Machine album, titled How Long Do You Think it...
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236: Modern Classics: Carina Del Valle Schorske on Cat Power&#39;s &quot;Manhattan&quot;
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Recently the hosts of Switched on Pop kept seeing the same byline next to their favorite pieces of music writing. A moving profile of Bad Bunny? There was the name. A searing critique of West Side Story? There it was again. An elegy on love, loss, and an Aretha Franklin and Smokey Robinson duet? By now it was committed to memory: writer and translator Carina Del Valle Schorske. So we knew we ha...
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235: The Joy of Music Festivals
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For the past two weeks, our series on summer music festivals has uncovered the interplay of festival fashion and music and examined festival subcultures. But we&#39;ve so far overlooked an essential reason that people attend music festivals: to experience transformational joy.

At the start of summer 2021 it seemed like the pandemic was waning and that live music was coming back. But now, heading i...
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The Gathering of the Juggalos is the music festival centered around the rap duo Insane Clown Posse. Their songs are hyper-violent and profane; their stage show features grotesque clown makeup and blasting the audience with their favorite drink, Faygo soda; and their fandom has even been designated by the FBI as a loosely organized gang. Musically, they’ve historically been rejected by critics: ...
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The co-hosts of The Cut, Jazmin Aguilera and B.A. Parker, think deeply and incisively about fashion. For this special episode of Switched on Pop — the first in our three-part miniseries about summer festivals — we invited the hosts of The Cut, Jazmin Aguilera and B.A. Parker, as our honorary co-hosts to help us break down the connections between festival fashion, music, and culture. With the ad...
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232: Modern Classics: Mark Ronson on Ginuwine&#39;s &quot;Pony&quot;
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Mark Ronson has a CV too long to list here. Suffice to say he’s a musician who’s worked with everyone from Amy Winehouse to Lady Gaga to Dua Lipa, has one of the highest selling singles of all time with Bruno Mars in “Uptown Funk,” and has been making just really good music since the turn of the millennium. He’s also the presenter of one of our all time favorite TED talks on the history of samp...
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231: Summer Hits: Jack Antonoff on Bleacher’s “Stop Making This Hurt”
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We’ve been wanting to speak with Jack Antonoff since we started Switched On Pop back in 2014. We&#39;ve had countless hours of conversation sound tracked to his productions with artists like Taylor Swift, Lorde, Lana Del Ray starting in just our second episode. When we wrote a book about 21st century pop, we devoted a chapter to the song “We Are Young” by his band, Fun.
 
And so we&#39;re excited to fi...
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<span><span class="js-time" data-epochtime="1627617600" data-format="short_date">Jul 30, 2021</span></span>
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In this installment of Modern Classics we speak to the amazing four-time Grammy Nominee musician, singer and songwriter Yola about her new record, Stand For Myself, and how hearing Childish Gambino’s “Redbone” and all its references to 1970s funk encouraged Yola to unlock her own unprecedented mix of symphonic soul and classic pop.
As Yola tells it, it’s not just a sound from the past that she’...
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229: L’Rain asks “what have you done to change?” (live at JBL)
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L’Rain is the musical persona of the singer and multi-instrumentalist Taja Cheek. Her new album Fatigue begins with a lyrical quandary: “what have you done to change?” The music that follows takes us on a journey of self discovery with songs interwoven with home recordings of practicing piano, clapping games, and everyday life.
The first full length song “Find It” repeats the mantra “make a way...
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<span><span class="js-time" data-epochtime="1627023600" data-format="short_date">Jul 23, 2021</span></span>
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228: Summer Hits: City Girls - Twerkulator (with Kyra Gaunt
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One of the songs we anticipate playing on repeat this summer is “Twerkulator” by Miami rap duo City Girls. It’s a track with enough sonic energy to power a small town, but that’s not all we dig. The song’s music includes a chain of samples that stretch back through pop music history—from 1990s house, to 1980s electro, to 1970s German krautrock—and poses an implicit challenge to some of hip hop’...
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227: Summer Hits: Lorde - Solar Power (w Hanif Abdurraqib)
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Lorde&#39;s new song &quot;Solar Power&quot; set the internet ablaze when it dropped from out of nowhere in June. Some fans found the song to be a buoyant departure from Lorde&#39;s last release, Melancholy, while others thought the track felt half-baked. On top of that, listeners questioned the song&#39;s provenance — had Lorde cribbed too closely from 90s hitmakers like Primal Scream and George Michael?
To listen ...
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<span><span class="js-time" data-epochtime="1626415200" data-format="short_date">Jul 16, 2021</span></span>
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Olivia Rodrigo’s summer breakup anthem “good 4 u” is filled with the kind of ebullient angst that makes us want to spontaneously dance around our house and belt the lyrics out with abandon. Whether it’s the creeping baseline that pulls us in, or the cathartic release of the chorus, we can’t get enough of this track. And we’re not alone, it seems. The song debuted at #1 on the Billboard Hot 100,...
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225: Modern Classics: Labrinth&#39;s &quot;Sexy MF&quot; (with Sam Sanders)
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Modern Classics is the new series where Charlie and Nate invite their favorite musicians, journalists, and friends of the show to wax lyrical about a song that&#39;s important in their life. In the first installment of Modern Classics, Nate and Charlie sit down with the host of NPR’s hit news and culture program It’s Been a Minute, Sam Sanders. Sam is one of the best people to talk music with, not ...
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<span><span class="js-time" data-epochtime="1625562000" data-format="short_date">Jul 06, 2021</span></span>
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224: Growing Pains with Lucy Dacus
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Growing up is never easy. But pop songs about adolescence too often gloss over the complicated moments. The “teenage dream” archetype is just a pop culture fantasy. And no one really wants to be 17 forever. 
On her new album “Home Video,” Lucy Dacus talks about youthful growing pains. She remembers the uncomfortable moments. Dacus says that “a lot of childhood is crisis mode… you get pushed aro...
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In summer 2020, BTS released “Dynamite,” their first single recorded entirely in English. The song shot up the charts, became one of the most successful YouTube videos in history, and won over pop radio, which had stubbornly refused to play their songs in Korean. Now in summer 2021, BTS have topped themselves again with “Butter,” yet another English language bop that melts… like butter. BTS mem...
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In 1974 country music, singer songwriter, Dolly Parton got wind that Elvis Presley wanted to record her new song, “I Will Always Love You.“ According to Dolly, the deal fell through when Elvis&#39;s manager demanded 50% of the publishing revenue. Dolly refused, released the song herself, and years later arranged a more equitable deal with Whitney Houston, who of course made it a massive hit. 
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If you listen to a lot of music on YouTube, you may have been recommended a video. The thumbnail image is a striking black-and-white photo of a Japanese singer named Mariya Takeuchi. The song, “Plastic Love,” is a lush disco track with deep groove, impeccable string and horn arrangements, and a slow-burn vocal performance from Takeuchi. When the song was released in 1979, it sold 10,000 copies....
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J Cole is one of the most successful rappers of his generation, someone who racks up hits while sustaining critical acclaim. But that isn’t necessarily a good thing. Cole’s sixth studio album “The Off Season” finds a musician struggling to stave off complacency and keep his skills sharp. In a short documentary about the album, Cole describes the album as an attempt to “push himself,” a sentimen...
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One of our favorites artists right now is Rina Sawayama. She works with her producer Clarence Clarity to make this mash up of sounds from the late 90s and early aughts. She in particular recasts Max Martin pop and Nu Metal — too styles that rarely converged — to make compelling songs with a strong anti-consumerist message. I spoke with Rina Sawayama last summer about her debut eponymous album S...
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When you think of jazz, you might think of La La Land, luxury car commercials, or fancy dinner parties. Cool, sophisticated, complex, jazz today seems to signify the epitome of class and taste. For pianist Vijay Iyer, that view gets the music completely wrong. Jazz isn’t cool. Jazz is countercultural. Jazz is alive and relevant. Jazz fights racism and injustice. And for those reasons, maybe we ...
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