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S4 Ep131: Pip Williams on words, gender and class
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Katherine speaks to best selling, award winning author Pip Williams. They discuss William’s novel DICTIONARY OF LOST WORDS, language, history and biases and omissions based on gender and class. Also, navigating being an author when you’re not on social media!

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S4 Ep130: Kate and Katherine are joyful (ish) 
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Kate and Katherine are reasonably joyful in this episode, which covers such topics as mini bottles of wine, mandarins and surprise surprise books. 
 
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34m
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S4 Ep129: Alice Pung on class, voice and why she writes
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Kate speaks to award winning Melbourne writer, Alice Pung. They discuss Pung&#39;s latest novel ONE HUNDRED DAYS, writing about class, the impact of motherhood and how her writing process has changed over time.

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44m
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<span><span class="js-time" data-epochtime="1629059400" data-format="short_date">Aug 15, 2021</span></span>
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S4 Ep128: Kate and Katherine on great books, great listens and other inspiring things
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Kate and Katherine talk great books, great listens and other inspiring things.   
 
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28m
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<span><span class="js-time" data-epochtime="1628452612" data-format="short_date">Aug 08, 2021</span></span>
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S4 Ep127: Jane Riley on persistence, Kindle best sellers and asking yourself questions
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Katherine speaks to author Jane Riley about persistence and how, even if it takes a while, it does ultimately pay off. They discuss Kindle bestsellers, books coming out just prior to and during lockdown/s and how writers need to ask themselves questions. 

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Kate and Katherine talk about what they&#39;ve been doing, which is not a lot. Kate is considering egging someone and needs a personal assistant. Katherine is reading a lot of Maeve Binchy and... No, that&#39;s it. Just a LOT of Maeve.  
 
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S4 Ep125: Iain Ryan on crime rules, choose your own adventure and The Taylor Swift Theory
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Kate speaks to Melbourne crime writer Iain Ryan, author of The Spiral. They discuss the rules of crime fiction, writing to the point of shame, self publishing vs traditional publishing and the Taylor Swift Theory. There is a some explicit content at the 20 minute mark, so maybe keep those earpods in! Kate also laughs. A lot.

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S4 Ep124: Ailsa Wild on acrobatics, collaboration &amp; caring
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Kate speaks to best-selling children&#39;s author and now non-fiction writer, Ailsa Wild. They discuss Wild&#39;s latest project - a story of nursing and caring during the Covid pandemic, along with how she creates her best-selling kid&#39;s books, and her top tips for school visits.

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S4 Ep123: Kate and Katherine talk the big four-oh
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It&#39;s Kate&#39;s birthday! She&#39;s a hundred years old! Okay, she&#39;s forty. Katherine has specific questions and Kate admits she loves the word &#39;skitterish&#39;. She also wants to be reincarnated as a coastal cushion bush...   

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<span><span class="js-time" data-epochtime="1625432400" data-format="short_date">Jul 04, 2021</span></span>
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S4 Ep122: Sarah Krasnostein on ghosts, awkwardness and ethics
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Katherine speaks to best-selling, multi-award winning writer Sarah Krasnostein. They discuss the ethics of writing about other people, how awkward it can be and ghosts. 

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36m
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S4 Ep121: YVWF: I Didn&#39;t Plan it That Way with Jessie Tu
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In this conversation, Kate Mildenhall talks with author Meg Mason about how her latest novel SORROW AND BLISS went from bro...
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S4 Ep116: Kate and Katherine talk to Fiona Murphy 
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When deaf poet, author and essayist Fiona Murphy gets in touch, Kate and Katherine re-think a rant they had previously. 

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Kate speaks with literary translator Stephanie Smee in a fascinating conversation about wordplay, reading in translation, and Smee&#39;s latest work ON THE LINE: NOTES FROM A FACTORY by Joseph Ponthus.

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This episode Kate and Katherine DO NOT talk about lockdown. 

 

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Katherine speaks with The Second Son author Loraine Peck. They discuss excellent bios, writing crime, magic and vision boards. 

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S4 Ep112: Kate and Katherine talk festival gossip
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This episode Kate and Katherine go deep on a festival post mortem after Kate wearily returns from a whirlwind book trip to WA. Highlights, dolphins, fashion tips, name dropping and a story that makes Katherine lose it. This week has it al.

 

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This episode Kate talks to political journalist, foreign correspondent and author Michael Brissenden. They discuss journalism, good story telling and--one of our faves--rejection.

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This episode Kate and Katherine discuss the nitty gritty of editing. It&#39;s been so long Kate&#39;s forgotten what it even is and Katherine has a complicated method involving printing, spreadsheets and long division (thirds?). 

 

Check out show notes for this episode on at www.thefirsttimepodcast.com (http://www.thefirsttimepodcast.com/) or get in touch via Twitter or Instagram @thefirsttimepod.

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This episode Katherine talks to author Victoria Hannan on the highs and lows of being a writer, and how the writing life is just one part of actual life. They discuss awards (Victoria was the winner of the Victorian Premiers Unpublished Manuscript Award 2019), retreats, massive word counts and wonderful-difficult moments.

Check out show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirsttimepod...
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This episode Kate and Katherine discuss first drafts... Are they always terrible?  Does anyone listen to other authors play lists? Do you like long descriptions of trees?  And other questions such as this. 

Check out show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirsttimepodcast.com (http://www.thefirsttimepodcast.com/) or get in touch via Twitter or Instagram @thefirsttimepod.

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In our first interview for S4, Kate speaks with Evelyn Araluen - poet, academic, co-editor of Overland Literary Journal and author of Dropbear. They discuss Evelyn&#39;s creative practice, how she edited Dropbear with Ellen Van Neerven, why learning Bundjalung language changed the way she writes, and her advice on becoming part of the writing community.

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It’s a whole new season and a whole new format but the same old hosts. 

 

Kate and Katherine haven’t spoken in oh about forever and there’s a lot to catch up on. Books they’ve been reading!  Things they’ve been listening to!  Other items! 

 

Unfortunately, they get a little ahead of themselves vis a vis TECHNOLOGY, which is a lesson in a) how to use a microphone and b) failure. 

 

Enjoy :...
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And this is IT! Our final episode of Season Three! There are favourites, laughs, wisdom and news from our amazing Agony Aunt, Charlotte Wood, and relief that we now get to look forward to Season 4 in 2021!

Our final cracker interview for the season is with writer and all round literary superstar, Maxine Beneba Clarke. We talk being a poet laureate, the different creative processes in writing a...
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We argue about pronunciation, lament a SA lockdown that is already outdated and consider our Writing Year That Was.

Then Kate speaks with novelist Karen Wyld about her path to publication, diversity in publishing and her debut novel WHERE THE FRUIT FALLS.

Check out show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirsttimepodcast.com (http://www.thefirsttimepodcast.com/) or get in touch via ...
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S3 Ep103: Darebin FUSE festival #5: McKinley Valentine 
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This episode is a collaboration with Darebin&#39;s FUSE festival.

Our guest is writer and  author of The Whippet newsletter, McKinley Valentine. 

For information on this five-part FUSE series and the FUSE festival check out Darebin FUSE Spring 2020 (https://www.fusedarebin.com.au/whats-on/) .

Show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirsttimepodcast.com (http://www.thefirsttimepodcast.c...
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We are out of lockdown!! (You&#39;ll note we recorded this one week before we are now even LESS locked down!) We talk about what we did first, how Katherine is coping with Book Two edits and how Kate blundered through an Instagram takeover.

Our Agony Aunt Charlotte Wood responds to a question from a writer who is feeling resentful of other writers getting all the attention. Then Kate speaks with Y...
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This episode is a collaboration with Darebin&#39;s FUSE festival.

Our guest is author of young adult and children&#39;s fiction, Leanne Hall. 

For information on this five-part FUSE series and the FUSE festival check out Darebin FUSE Spring 2020 (https://www.fusedarebin.com.au/whats-on/) .

Show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirsttimepodcast.com (http://www.thefirsttimepodcast.com/) or...
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S3 Ep100: Kate Mildenhall and #TheMotherFault Deep Dive 
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It seems fitting that in this our 100th (!!) episode, we do a deep dive into author and co-host Kate Mildenhall’s second novel #theMotherFault. 

A warning: This one&#39;s riddles with spoilers so if you haven’t read the book yet, then a) what is wrong with you and b) I hope you don’t mind knowing Nick dies on the last page. 

OR DOES HE? 

Check out show notes for this episode on our website www.t...
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S3 Ep99: Darebin FUSE festival #3: Clementine Ford
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This episode is a collaboration with Darebin&#39;s FUSE festival.

Our guest is feminist writer, broadcaster and public speaker Clementine Ford. 

For information on this five-part FUSE series and the FUSE festival check out Darebin FUSE Spring 2020 (https://www.fusedarebin.com.au/whats-on/) .

Show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirsttimepodcast.com (http://www.thefirsttimepodcast.co...
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S3 Ep98: Housekeeping, headshots and Trent Dalton on second books &amp; golden hearts
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This episode the hosts do some podcast-related housekeeping (really the only kind they&#39;re into), and mark the end of #ConversationsWithFriends with a &#39;Best of&#39;.  It&#39;s like picking between your children!   

Our Agony Aunt, Charlotte Wood, answers a question on author head shots and then Kate speaks with award winning, best selling author Trent Dalton about his latest novel All Our Shimmering Sk...
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S3 Ep97: Darebin FUSE festival #2: Yves Rees
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This episode is a collaboration with Darebin&#39;s FUSE festival.

Our guest is award-winning writer, historian and podcaster Dr Yves Rees. 

For information on this five-part FUSE series and the FUSE festival (so much great stuff and it&#39;s all online this year!) check out Darebin FUSE Spring 2020 (https://www.fusedarebin.com.au/whats-on/) .

Show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirstti...
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S3 Ep96: The rollercoaster &amp; Sam Coley on perfectionism, road trips &amp; the Richell Prize
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Kate&#39;s book has been out for three weeks and Katherine asks how it&#39;s going. The answer is, it&#39;s a rollercoaster. They also exchange interesting things that have piqued their interest this week. Our Agony Aunt, Charlotte Wood, answers a question on puffing and endorsements and then Kate speaks with debut novelist, Sam Coley about his Richell Prize winning State Highway One.

We know you&#39;ll under...
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S3 Ep95: Darebin FUSE festival #1: Kate McLennan (The Katering Show, Get Krack!n) 
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This episode is a collaboration with Darebin&#39;s FUSE festival.

Our guest is award-winning writer, stand-up comedian and actor Kate McLennan.  Yes, that Kate McLennan!!  Her work includes The Katering Show and Get Krack!n... 

For information on this five-part FUSE series and the FUSE festival (so much great stuff and it&#39;s all online this year!) check out Darebin FUSE Spring 2020 (https://www.fu...
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This episode marks one week since #TheMotherFault&#39;s come into the world.  The hosts discuss what Kate&#39;s been doing and re-live the launch, which was moving, entertaining and given we&#39;re in lockdown, online!

Agony Aunt Charlotte Wood answers a question from &#39;Dispirited&#39; about the quiet novel...   

Then Katherine chats to Brisbane author Laura Elvery about her writing life and her STUNNING shor...
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S3 Ep93: Conversations with Friends #22: Danielle Binks and Fiona Hardy
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This episode of Conversations with Friends is with agent and author Danielle Binks and author and bookseller Fiona Hardy. 

Check out show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirsttimepodcast.com (http://www.thefirsttimepodcast.com/) or get in touch via Twitter or Instagram @thefirsttimepod.

The Conversations with Friends series is supported by the City of Melbourne COVID-19 Arts Gran...
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S3 Ep92: Conversations with Friends #21: Ashley Kalagian Blunt and Sheila Ngoc Pham 
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This episode of Conversations with Friends is with Ashley Kalagian Blunt and Sheila Ngoc Pham. 

Check out show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirsttimepodcast.com (http://www.thefirsttimepodcast.com/) or get in touch via Twitter or Instagram @thefirsttimepod.

The Conversations with Friends series is supported by the City of Melbourne COVID-19 Arts Grants. 
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S3 Ep91: The art of the interview and Cass Moriarty who is the most generous author you will ever meet 
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In this episode:
- Kate and Katherine discuss the art of the interview
- Agony Aunt Charlotte Wood answers a question on self belief
- We feature Brisbane author Cass Moriarty 

Check out show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirsttimepodcast.com (http://www.thefirsttimepodcast.com/) or get in touch via Twitter or Instagram @thefirsttimepod.

 

Don&#39;t forget you can support us and t...
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S3 Ep90: Conversations with Friends #20: Rachel Mead and Katherine Tamiko Arguile
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This episode of Conversations with Friends is with authors Rachel Mead and Katherine Tamiko Arguile.

Check out show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirsttimepodcast.com (http://www.thefirsttimepodcast.com/) or get in touch via Twitter or Instagram @thefirsttimepod.

The Conversations with Friends series is supported by the City of Melbourne COVID-19 Arts Grants. 
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This episode of Conversations with Friends is with authors Mark Smith and Jock Serong. 

Check out show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirsttimepodcast.com (http://www.thefirsttimepodcast.com/) or get in touch via Twitter or Instagram @thefirsttimepod.

The Conversations with Friends series is supported by the City of Melbourne COVID-19 Arts Grants. 
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This episode Kate and Katherine are feeling slightly more positive about life and lockdown.  Maybe it&#39;s because winning author and creative powerhouse Charlotte Wood is their new new agony aunt.  This week&#39;s question is from &#39;Little Fish&#39; and is about what to expect from your agent.  

Check out show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirsttimepodcast.com (http://www.thefirsttimepodca...
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This episode of Conversations with Friends is with authors Jack Heath and Sam McGregor.

Check out show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirsttimepodcast.com (http://www.thefirsttimepodcast.com/) or get in touch via Twitter or Instagram @thefirsttimepod.

The Conversations with Friends series is supported by the City of Melbourne COVID-19 Arts Grants. 
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This episode of Conversations with Friends is with Justine Sless and Noe Harsel.  

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The Conversations with Friends series is supported by the City of Melbourne COVID-19 Arts Grants. 
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We indulge ourselves with a whinge about lockdown life in Melbourne, but endeavour to leave you on a high with some excellent news!

Then Kate speaks with award winning writer Zana Fraillon in a blissful face to face discussion (for the brief moment that was allowed!). They discuss feeling like you&#39;ve &#39;fluked it&#39;, writing what burns and the creative process in Zana&#39;s backyard studio where she h...
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This episode of Conversations with Friends #16 is with Bronwyn Birdsall and Sheree Strange.

Check out show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirsttimepodcast.com (http://www.thefirsttimepodcast.com/) or get in touch via Twitter or Instagram @thefirsttimepod.

The Conversations with Friends series is supported by the City of Melbourne COVID-19 Arts Grants. 
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This is a special episode brought to you in collaboration with the Apollo Bay Word Fest (https://www.apollobaywordfest.com/) for their Warm Winter Words event. This interview with Michael Veitch is the final of three linked interviews, after conversations with Lucy Treloar and Michael Veitch.

In this conversation, Kate and Michael talk tales of the high seas, interviewing wisdom, life in the A...
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S3 Ep82: Warm Winter Words #2: Lucy Treloar
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This is a special episode brought to you in collaboration with the Apollo Bay Word Fest (https://www.apollobaywordfest.com/) for their Warm Winter Words event. This interview with Lucy Treloar is the second of three linked interviews, the first with Tony Birch and the final with Michael Veitch.

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