Paul Mason and Christabel Cooper ... The Coronavirus crisis has turned on its head many assumptions about how politics works. It used to be taken for granted that the Tories want to make the state smaller, and the market bigger. But does that assumption still hold? And if not what is the nature of the new Toryism being formed through the course of the Coronavirus crisis? On this episode hosts Luke Cooper and Zoe Williams are joined by journalist and author Paul Mason and data scientist and Labour councillor Christabel Cooper, to discuss how the centre-right is evolving. They place the analysis in a global and historical perspective and ask if Thatcherism is indeed coming to an end, then what happens next? The alternative, sadly, isn't necessarily better and could even be seen as continuity neoliberalism but with a big dose of nationalism and authoritarianism.