Saker Nusseibeh CBE of Federated Hermes: Being Good Is Good Business
- Being good is good business.
- Beating benchmarks and creating a pot at the end of a period just heuristics. These are just shorthand.
- We don't live in an isolated bubble called the financial world. We live in the real world, in real communities with real neighbours in the real space.
- In reality, we control most of the capital markets in the world, so we have the ability to shape the world in a way that is beneficial to us.
- The reason you invest is you want to grow the economy that you want to live in. Every investment you make has an impact on your life, not just on your portfolio but on your life.
- Challenge -> Misunderstanding Adam Smith - the moral philosopher: “happiness, perhaps the preservation of his existence again, all right, his contentment, happiness here means contentment, the preservation of his existence, his very life depends upon what its preservation preserving what the prosperity of society“.
- COVID has generated the debate. What is it that we as a developed society care about? We should care about the life of all citizens including citizens who are not economically productive - that’s what pensioners are in harsh economic terms. Do we care about citizens’ lives or do we care about pure financial economic growth?
- We have a shared assumption, the shared assumption that we have is that it's possible in the financial sector to combine being really technically excellent at what you do, while at the same time being truly a decent human being. We call it being nice.
- We are privileged because of how much we get paid and where we are, therefore we should reach out to help those around us.
- It’s about how much giving of your time and how much do you empathise.
- We see ourselves as the pebble that maybe can help start the avalanche that can change the market for better. I think we are part of that movement. The key is to make change for the better.
- It’s not what we do, its who we are. Who we are then produces what we do. But you start with the human first, not the product.
- High active share managers, even the ones that are not skilled outperform benchmark and everybody else after fees from that position.
- People use the word alpha. I don't like the word alpha, its value.
- We pay half of our bonuses on “being nice”.
- We invented the idea of engagement. Doing stewardship is a better way of enhancing value over the long-term.
- I'm absolutely convinced that the trend is that it will become almost impossible for people to invest in index without investing in stewardship.
- I worry that if ESG becomes a trend, it becomes a label. If it becomes a label, it becomes a tick box exercise.
- When we talk about ESG factors, however, it seems like the market wants to have a specific box that they want to put everything into it rather than the nuance. It’s the nuances of what sustainability means, what governance means, that adds value in reality.
- What moves companies is not just financials. There are lots of intangible assets in some of the biggest companies, in brands and reputation. Culture in banks is more important than measuring the financials.
- On climate change and carbon investments, to solve the problem you need 3 things to happen:
- Convince the company to close down or change business model
- Find alternative sources of what the company does
- Convince consumers to shift consumer behaviour
- Encourage oil major to shift to cleaner energy
- Advocate regulators to move to clean EV
- Change consumer behaviour e.g. move away from fast fashion and meat.
- Invest in alternative visions and technology.
- It's not a one-pill solution. You have got to do all these things.
- We are not interested in virtual signalling.
- COVID has taught us that extreme events can whack society in major ways.
- When I judge myself, I genuinely do not think that success is money or position or title. I think success is helping others.
- We receive what we have in trust from God and we have to pass it on to the next generation
- Every day “I judge myself”: What have I really done to make an impact?
- I think success is helping others
- If I know I’ve not done what I should do. I ask myself, have I done the best I could, in giving something back?
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