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I can’t imagine going back to an ICE vehicle as my daily driver, that being said, I would agree with you, that if I had to, it would be due to the lack of charging infrastructure. Earlier in September I had to make an emergency trip due to a death in the family to Atlanta from San Antonio and back, for which we had to pull out our Honda Odyssey Minivan that has been sitting for 2 years. I would not have been able to do the trip with our 2 EVs. This is also the reason, for now, that I keep an ICE vehicle around.
I find it hard to envision a case in which I'd get another ICE car. Just one comes to mind - if I was forced to live where my daughter does - a tiny town at the end of a long rough road and a vulnerable power line. Failing that, I'd NEVER revert.
Why give up On EVs? For our family it’s vehicle choice. Here in the US there are no electric station wagons. I need to replace my 2002 Mercedes wagon but with a dog an Electric SUV is not workable. Older dogs cannot easily manage the high floor height in SUVs. The other vehicle class not addressed is a small roadster. I also have a Mazda Miata - I don’t see anything on the horizon that will scratch that itch!
Use our older Leaf for about 80% of our driving but am painfully holding on for new offerings to replace our other cars!
I think studies showing that BEV drivers went back to ICE are confusing and sound erroneous because they are missing a key clarification. In other words, people/families with more than one car might buy an ICE car after owning EVs. That is my case.
Since test driving an EV a few years back it was obvious my daily driver would never revert to a combustion car. I would like to know statistics for those with primary daily drivers that reverted. Those numbers I think would be vanishingly small.
However, I'm a motoring enthusiast from a family of enthusiasts and there still remains no mainstream EV 1. sports car, 2. convertible.
I'm also extremely passionate about manual transmissions for their engagement, which are hard to find in EVs. I recently bought a 4-seat BMW convertible with a turbocharged six-cylinder ICE engine. Both my siblings daily drive EVs but also own gas-burning manual sports cars. We might be an aberration, but I'm not so sure.
So, yes, I technically have bought two ICE sports cars since going primarily EV, but the proportion of my driving on ICE is low since these gas-burners are niche cars used for nice days and weekend joyrides mostly.
Once there's a viable, lightweight, sports car EV in convertible, I will strongly consider trading my BMW for such a vehicle. That said, my family will likely keep a few legacy ICE cars in perpetuity for occasional use.
I imagine if I left electric it would be because of service. Some areas only have one dealership per make of car and if that one is bad you’re out of luck for repairs because there aren’t many independent garages that do electric.
Just completed a 10 day holiday down to the Sth France, and we decided to drive and take our dog, including a overnight destination stop half way near Lyon down and Dijon on the way back.
As a new ev owner of a iPace model year 20, I am a bit of a novice to the charging planner apps, so used a combination of
A better route planner
iPace navigation - rubbish
ABRP failed to indicated a stop where we were relying on a 175kW charger was out of order ( the 1 and only) so had to use the 50Kw.
Other times were sent down farm tracks to non existent chargers....
So on this basis, I would have loved to have my 500 mile range Diesal Volvo back just to get us down there, stress free with no range anxiety.
Granted that was a 1 off, and not likely to do that trip again with the current 220 mile range limit on the i pace, maybe with a EV that had 350 miles and improved motorway infrastructure, which is coming and Ionity was the best and most expensive.
Price! I bought a third hand used 2013 Fiat 500e when I totaled my previous car. It's real world range (50 miles) just barely works for my daily commute, but doesn't allow for any route changes for errands. With the current price of a decent used EV and new ones having wait times getting longer and longer, I couldn't get another EV if something happens to my current car.
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1) My wife has suffered a blow to the head which has changed her personality such that she would divorce me if I didn’t drive one.
2) Someone has taken my cats/dog or both hostage.
3) Little Timmy’s kidney must get to the hospital and that’s all that’s available.
4) Zombie hoards have cut me off from my EV, and that’s my only choice of a escape (However, I will circle back and get it at first opportunity).
5) I have fallen into an alternate dimension where Elon Musk is an evil coal baron.
6) The LHC at CERN created Strange quarks in an experiment gone awry, and electrons no longer work (which also means I’ll have to drive an old diesel).
7) Jacob Rees-Mogg becomes Emperor Exxon I, and EVs are banned (though I will immediately join the rebellion).
8) Legacy auto pays me ONE TRILLION DOLLARS! [insert evil laugh here]. Hey, let’s be everyone has a price, but I ain’t cheap. But then that will mean Model Y’s for everyone, especially hardworking British EV podcasters with three-year olds who live in the South of England.
I don't ever want to drive ICE again, but I still do for various reasons. If I had to pull a heavy trailer for a long distance--thousands of miles--I think that both the limited range and the trailer-adverse geometry of US charging stations would make that particular trip much easier with gasoline as an energy source.
JEFF IN INDIANA
As far as going back to an ICE car, I really can't think of a great reason at this point, aside from perhaps my preference of driving a manual transmission car, which obviously is irrelevant with an EV. But I do find that the regen paddle on my Bolt gives me SOME of that engagement back.
My sister, however, did own an EV before me. Her husband and she bought an early Leaf. Unfortunately that also corresponded with one of the coldest winters we had had in recent years, with temperatures often hitting -20F that winter. The Leaf didn't cope well with that. She found that she was barely able to make it home from work, even with only using seat heaters and no heated air. After that, they traded in the Leaf for a Sentra. Today's EVs do much better with the cold, of course, but I have as yet not been able to convince them to give an EV another try.
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