The Women Fighting for Freedom in Iran: Zolal Habibi on Courage, History, and Hope, The Interview!

Season 15 Episode 313  ·  May 10, 04:22 PM
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Happy Mother's Day everyone...and that includes those who tend the fires, those who create the homes, those who care for children, animals, villages & histories. This episode is in honor of all those who hold the space for growth and healing and creation. In short, it is for YOU.

What does it take to keep fighting when the stories you carry include torture, imprisonment, political violence, loss, and generations of struggle?

In this powerful and deeply moving episode, we speak with Zolal Habibi, an Iranian-American human rights activist and member of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), about women’s rights in Iran, Iranian women’s resistance, human rights, freedom, political repression, and what it means to carry the stories of a people who are still fighting for change.

This is a particularly important episode because Zolal's story is not simply about politics. It is also about mothers, daughters, memory, courage, grief, history, and the extraordinary ways people can transform personal loss into a lifelong commitment to something larger than themselves.

Please note: This episode contains discussions of torture, executions, war, murder, political repression, and other traumatic events. Please listen with care.


Who Is Zolal Habibi?

Zolal Habibi describes herself as a member of the Iranian Resistance and says she has dedicated her life to the cause of freedom in Iran. Her activism was profoundly shaped by her family history and by growing up surrounded by people who had experienced political persecution and imprisonment.

She shares how her father was killed by the Iranian regime and how, from childhood, she was exposed to stories of people who had endured extraordinary suffering while continuing to hold onto hope and their commitment to freedom.

Rather than viewing her circumstances only through the lens of personal tragedy, Zolal describes seeing herself as fortunate to have been raised by parents who taught her to think critically, develop strong values, and understand the importance of standing up for others.

Her public biography also identifies her as an Iranian human-rights and women's-rights advocate with more than two decades of activism.

Women’s Rights in Iran and the Power of Iranian Women

One of the central themes of this conversation is the role of women in Iran's struggle for freedom.

Zolal argues that Iranian women have played an important role in movements for political and social change for generations. She discusses women's participation in Iranian history, the protests surrounding compulsory veiling, women's pursuit of education, and the role of mothers in publicly remembering children who have been killed.

The episode also explores the significance of the “Woman, Life, Freedom” movement, which became internationally prominent following the death in custody of Jina Mahsa Amini in September 2022. The United Nations' independent fact-finding mission has documented serious human-rights violations against women and girls in connection with the protests and subsequent repression.

For Zolal, the story of Iranian women is not simply a story of victimhood.

It is a story of resistance, agency, courage, education, leadership, and refusing to surrender the possibility of a different future.

The Mothers Who Turn Grief Into Resistance

Some of the most powerful moments in this interview involve mothers.

Zolal tells stories of Iranian mothers who experienced unimaginable losses and nevertheless chose to preserve the memories of their children and speak publicly about what happened.

She describes one mother whose children were killed by the regime and who transformed the remembrance of her son into an act of celebration rather than allowing his death to become forgotten.

These stories raise a profound question:

What happens when grief becomes a reason to keep going rather than a reason to give up?

Throughout the conversation, Zolal emphasizes the importance of preserving these stories for future generations.

What Would a Free Iran Look Like?


Near the end of the interview, Zolal describes the vision for Iran advocated by the National Council of Resistance of Iran, including concepts such as:

  • Separation of religion and state
  • Gender equality
  • Elections and political representation
  • Minority rights
  • An independent judiciary
  • Opposition to the death penalty
  • Ending torture
  • A non-nuclear Iran
  • A secular democratic republic

The NCRI publicly describes these principles as part of its political platform.

This portion of the conversation is particularly useful for listeners who want to understand what political alternatives Iranian opposition groups are proposing, rather than hearing only about the current situation.

A Conversation About Courage, Memory, and Hope


This is a difficult episode.

It is also a deeply human one.

Zolal Habibi brings decades of family history, activism, grief, political knowledge, and personal experience to a conversation about Iran and the women who continue to demand a different future.

Whatever your existing knowledge of Iran, this conversation offers an opportunity to listen to one person's perspective, learn more about the history behind the headlines, and consider what happens when ordinary people decide that the stories of their families and communities must not be forgotten.

Listen to the full episode and hear Zolal Habibi tell these stories in her own words.

And, as always, please explore the additional resources and links accompanying this episode so you can continue learning about the people, history, and human-rights issues discussed here.

To read up a bit more on this remarkable human in history, here is her website! As well, her Insta, her YouTube and FaceBook. It's a hard listen this week, but also hopeful...never underestimate hope!

Thanks to all of you who support the pod, it means so much to me, you'll never know! And to catch up on all that is happening in my world, HERE is my website, my Insta and my YouTube, which is woefully behind!

Your bit of beauty is this YouTube about Iran, titled, 
IRAN: The World’s Most Misunderstood Place You’ve Never Known" it will teach you about this exquisite jewel of a country and the incredible people who reside there.