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S5 Ep180: Kylie Maslen + Featured Book MARSHMALLOW by Victoria Hannan
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Our main interview this episode is with writer and critic Kylie Maslen (https://www.kyliemaslen.com/) . We talk about what writing looks like from a disabled perspective, balancing being vulnerable with inflicting further trauma on yourself, and of course memes!

Kylie&#39;s work has appeared in The Guardian, Meanjin, Kill Your Darlings, Adelaide Review, Crikey and Junkee, among other outlets. In 2...
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In this episode, Katherine speaks to multi-award winning author Kim Scott about history, identity, culture and language, particularly of his ancestors the Noongar people.

Kim Scott grew up on the south coast of Western Australia. As a descendant of those who first created human society along that edge of ocean, he is proud to be one among those who call themselves Noongar.
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S5 Ep178: Kate and Katherine Catch Up + Featured Book DENIZEN by James Mckenzie Watson
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In this episode Katherine has pressed send on her MG novel, Kate is visiting an abattoir, they both wax lyrical about Jane McGonigal (https://janemcgonigal.com/2021/12/17/imaginable-how-to-see-the-future-coming-and-feel-ready-for-anything-even-things-that-seem-impossible-today/) and encourage you to get your submissions in for the National Cultural Policy (https://www.arts.gov.au/have-your-say/...
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This is Part Two of a conversation Kate has with Melbourne literary icon, Christos Tsiolkas. In this second part they discuss dealing with the success of The Slap, paying attention to the &#39;happy accident&#39; in his writing process, moving from certainty to doubt and the writing of his most recent book. He also shares his best advice for writers, and for being good industry citizens.

Christos Tsio...
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S5 Ep177: Master Series: Christos Tsiolkas Part 1
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This is Part One of a two part conversation Kate has with Melbourne literary icon, Christos Tsiolkas. In this first part they discuss Christos&#39;s early passion for reading and cinema, the influence of his parents, how he worked his way through the &#39;unmapable&#39; space towards being a novelist &amp; how he dealt with failure.

Christos Tsiolkas is a novelist, essayist, screenwriter and playwright. His f...
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This episode Kate and Katherine are IN THE SAME ROOM, hiding out beachside, going to book parties and working on their next books. Amid their bookish activities they take time out to discuss dealing with cancelled book events, how Katherine is progressing with her creative dates and (Katherine&#39;s) rules for criticising books that have sold 5 million copies. Heaps of recommendations and a few gig...
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In this episode, Katherine speaks to Chloe Hooper about writing about difficult things, nuance and approaching non-fiction like it&#39;s a thriller.

Chloe Hooper (https://www.simonandschuster.com/authors/Chloe-Hooper/16850596) is a novelist and non-fiction writer. Her first novel, A Child’s Book of True Crime (https://www.penguin.com.au/books/a-childs-book-of-true-crime-9781740512084#:~:text=In%20...
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S5 Ep174: Kate and Katherine Catch up + Featured book Something Blue by Alex Sarkis 
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This episode Kate and Katherine bask in their respective Fiji/Darwin holiday glows. Katherine is newly obsessed with Julia Cameron&#39;s (https://juliacameronlive.com/) The Artists Wa (https://www.booktopia.com.au/the-artist-s-way-julia-cameron/book/9780143129257.html) y and Kate is similarly late to the party with Stranger Things. There&#39;s a lot of great books in the world at the moment and it feel...
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In this episode Kate speaks with best-selling Australian author, Liane Moriarty (https://lianemoriarty.com.au/) , in a wide ranging conversation about her career, writing process and dealing with Hollywood. 

Liane Moriarty is the author of nine bestselling novels including Big Little Lies (https://lianemoriarty.com.au/Book/big-little-lies-au/) and Nine Perfect Strangers (https://lianemoriarty....
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S5 Ep172: Masters Series: Michelle Law 
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In this episode Katherine talks with Michelle Law. Michelle Law (http://www.michelle-law.com/) is a writer and actor working across print, theatre, film and television. She wrote the smash-hit play Single Asian Female (https://belvoir.com.au/productions/single-asian-female/) , which has sold out seasons in Australia and was staged in New Zealand in 2021 (check out the upcoming show in Adelaide ...
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S5 Ep171: Kate and Katherine Catch Up + Featured Book: Forty Nights by Pirooz Jafari 
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This episode Kate and Katherine catch up after WEEKS apart and discuss all the things including Katherine&#39;s Winter Solstice swim, grief-exhaustion, the Miles Franklin lit scandal, celeb memoirs and more.

The Featured Book segment is brought to you by Ultimo Press and we talk to writer Pirooz Jafari (https://www.wheelercentre.com/people/pirooz-jafari/) about his debut novel Forty Nights (https:...
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In this episode Katherine talks with Hazel Edwards (https://www.hazeledwards.com/) . Hazel Edwards is an award-winning author of books for children and adults. Her beloved picture book series &#39;There&#39;s a Hippopotamus on Our Roof Eating Cake (https://www.hazeledwards.com/theres_a_hippopotamus_on_our_roof_eating_cake.html) &#39; has been hugely popular for almost forty years, inspiring a musical stage...
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S5 Ep169: Masters series: Michael Christie plus FEATURED BOOK The Eulogy by Jackie Bailey
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In this episode Kate talks with internationally bestselling Canadian author Michael Christie. They discuss writing his latest novel - the epic historical/spec fic novel Greenwood (https://scribepublications.com.au/books-authors/books/greenwood-9781925713855) , living in the forest, and what he learned about writing via pro skateboarding and carpentry.

The Featured Book segment is brought to yo...
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In this episode Katherine talks with internationally bestselling author Natasha Lester. They discuss historical fiction, what&#39;s involved in publishing a book a year and the role that luck (and Costco!) have played in Natasha&#39;s writing career.

Natasha Lester (https://www.natashalester.com.au/) is the internationally bestselling author of A Kiss from Mr Fitzgerald, Her Mother&#39;s Secret, The Paris...
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In this episode Katherine talks with award winning author and illustrator of more than 20 novels and picture books for children and young adults, Gabrielle Wang. They discuss rejection, how books can help fight racism and magical experiences in life.  

 

Gabrielle Wang (https://gabriellewang.com/) was born in Melbourne of Chinese heritage. As a result, her books are a blend of both Australian...
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S5 Ep166: Kate and Katherine catch up + FEATURED BOOK Unknown by Akuch Kuol Anyieth
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This episode Kate and Katherine talk about THAT review (https://sydneyreviewofbooks.com/review/dalton-shimmering-skies-boy-swallows-universe/) , transcripts (check out this transcript of The First Time&#39;s Fiona Murphy episode (https://thefirsttimepodcast.com/2021/06/21/kate-and-katherine-talk-to-fiona-murphy/) ), plus what they’ve reading and watching. In a weird turn of events, Kate is the Kard...
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In this episode Kate talks with critically acclaimed Australian author Michelle de Kretser about her writing routine, taking risks, nourishing reading and why writing is a confidence trick.

Michelle de Kretser was born in Sri Lanka and emigrated to Australia when she was fourteen. She is the author of seven novels and one work of non fiction. She has twice won the Miles Franklin award for her ...
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This episode Kate and Katherine talk covid (ugh, again), retreat/workshop envy and what they&#39;re reading / watching / listening to.   

The Featured Book segment is brought to you by Harper Collins Australia and we talk to award winning writer and journalist Felicity McLean about her new book Red (https://www.harpercollins.com.au/9781460709443/red/) .  

Check out show notes for this episode on ...
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S5 Ep163: Masters Series: Andy Griffiths on writing for children, collaboration and how much anarchy is the right amount of anarchy 
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This episode Katherine talks with internationally best selling award winning author Andy Griffiths about writing for children, his long time collaboration with illustrator Terry Denton and what the perfect % of anarchy is within a story. 

Andy Griffiths is one of Australia&#39;s best known children&#39;s authors. He and illustrator Terry Denton have collaborated on more than 33 bestselling books (http...
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S5 Ep162: Kate and Katherine catch up + FEATURED BOOK The Natural History of Love (Caroline Petit)  
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This episode Kate and Katherine catch up and talk about all the stuff, including Alice Walker&#39;s journals (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/04/25/alice-walkers-journals-depict-an-artist-restless-on-her-laurels-gathering-blossoms-under-fire-valerie-boyd) , Jennifer Egan&#39;s new novel The Candy House, Sentimental Garbage (https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/sentimental-garbage/id1444729607)...
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This is a special live podcast, recorded at the Wheeler Centre in April
2022. Kate and Katherine interview fellow second time authors Yumna Kassab and
Robert Lukins about the joys and anxieties inherent in the writing and
publishing process.

This event was presented as part of Mic Drops, a Wheeler
Centre original series celebrating all things audible that brings together
podcasting’s best and ...
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Kate speaks with literary critic, academic and research, Bernadette Brennan. Among many publications, Brennan has published an award winning literary biography of Helen Garner - A Writing Life: Helen Garner and Her Work (https://www.textpublishing.com.au/books/a-writing-life-helen-garner-and-her-work) -  and most recently Leaping Into Waterfalls: The Enigmatic Gillian Mears (https://www.allenan...
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S5 Ep159: Katherine and Kate (covid) catch up + FEATURED BOOK: Meshi (Katherine Tamiko Arguile)
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This episode Katherine sympathises with Kate about her covid cancellations and they talk the history of efficiency, books they are loving and an iso-worthy list of binge watching recommendations.

The Featured Book segment is brought to you by Affirm Press and we talk to author Katherine Tamiko Arguile about new book Meshi: A personal history of Japanese food. (https://affirmpress.com.au/publis...
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This episode we talk to writer of many things, Benjamin Law.

Benjamin Law is the author of The Family Law, Gaysia, the Quarterly Essay: Moral Panic 101 and editor of Growing up Queer in Australia. He created and co-wrote three seasons of the award winning SBS TV series The Family Law and wrote the sold-out MTC play Torch the Place. He co-hosts Stop Everything! on the ABC’s Radio National and i...
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S5 Ep157: Kate and Katherine catch up + FEATURED BOOK: Found, Wanting (Natasha Sholl)
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This episode Kate and Katherine talk wordle strategies, the paths of lost novels (nod to Jane Rawson) and correspondence between famous authors.   

The Featured Book segment is brought to you by Ultimo Press and we talk to author Natasha Sholl about her grief memoir, &#39;Found, Wanting&#39;. 
 
Check out show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirsttimepodcast.com (http://www.thefirsttimepo...
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In our second episode of our new Masters Series, Kate speaks to British writer, Sarah Winman. Previously an actor, Winman is the author of three novels - A YEAR OF MARVELLOUS WAYS, TIN MAN and her latest, bestselling STILL LIFE. They discuss how Winman&#39;s acting experience has influenced her writing, the romance of a new idea, writing dialogue, research and some of her literary inspirations.

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S5 Ep155: Kate and Katherine - book launch post mortem, plus recommendations 
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The Competition was launched two days ago, it&#39;s a recap of all the feels. Plus, what the hosts have been watching, listening to and of course, reading.

Check out show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirsttimepodcast.com (http://www.thefirsttimepodcast.com/) or get in touch via Twitter (@thefirsttimepod) (https://twitter.com/thefirsttimepod) or Instagram (@thefirsttimepod) (https:/...
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Here it is! The very first episode of our brand new Masters Series. To kick off the season Kate speaks to writer, academic and activist, Tony Birch. He is the author of three novels, five short story collections and a collection of poetry. They discuss Tony&#39;s early publications, maps, writing place, short stories, confidence and the two traits of any good writer.

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S5 Ep153: Introducing the &#39;Masters Series&#39; plus Kate and Katherine talk Adelaide Writers Festival 
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Kate is fresh off the plane from Adelaide Writers Festival and has been posting blow by blow account of every glorious moment/person she met on Instagram. One of us cooks a cake for a well-known literary person and we introduce our new &#39;Masters Series&#39;. 

Check out show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirsttimepodcast.com (http://www.thefirsttimepodcast.com/) or get in touch via Tw...
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Kate and Katherine catch up and talk about the aftermath of book release, including a perplexingly bad restaurant, reviews and and a quote by Ella Baxter. Kate mentions she is writing but gives nothing else away. Plus, book recommendations! 

Check out show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirsttimepodcast.com (http://www.thefirsttimepodcast.com/) or get in touch via Twitter (@thefi...
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S5 Ep151: Jane Watkins on publicity, second books and (sadly, a lack of) outrageous demands 
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In keeping with the second book-related mini series -- this episode we talk publicity with Text publicist and all round excellent human Jane Watkins. She answers many burning questions including: What impact has COVID had? What is &#39;author care&#39;? And of course, how is everything different when you&#39;re pitching authors for the second time?   

Check out show notes for this episode on our website w...
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S5 Ep150: Shay Gardner on social media, algorithms and bringing salad to the dinner party 
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Get out your pens and pencils because this is an epic lesson in social media! Kate and Katherine talk to marketing, social media and fashion/lifestyle guru, Shay Gardner. This episode is, frankly, a gift to authors wanting to navigate the world of Instagram and other online entities. It&#39;s choc-full of great advice on what to do, why and how it all works. The word &#39;algorithm&#39; is used many times....
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It&#39;s been a while since the Kate and Katherine caught up and there&#39;s a lot of excitement amid all the heat and humidity. As always, there&#39;s much much talk of books, including one particular one that comes out Feb 1st: The Competition (https://www.textpublishing.com.au/books/the-competition) !

Check out show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirsttimepodcast.com (http://www.thefirstt...
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We&#39;re doing something a little bit different the next couple of episodes, in the lead up to Katherine&#39;s book The Competition coming out (Feb 2022). (You can pre-order at your local bookshop or here! (https://www.booktopia.com.au/the-competition-katherine-collette/book/9781922268068.html) !). 
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We&#39;re doing something a little bit different the next couple of episodes, in the lead up to Katherine&#39;s book The Competition coming out (Feb 2022). (You can pre-order at your local bookshop or here! (https://www.booktopia.com.au/the-competition-katherine-collette/book/9781922268068.html) !). 
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We&#39;re doing something a little bit different the next couple of episodes, in the lead up to Katherine&#39;s book The Competition coming out (Feb 2022). (You can pre-order at your local bookshop or here! (https://www.booktopia.com.au/the-competition-katherine-collette/book/9781922268068.html) !). 
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A special episode to kick of 2022! Kate speaks to writer and podcaster, Madeleine Dore about her creative career and her brand new book I Didn&#39;t Do the Thing Today: On letting go of productivity guilt (https://www.murdochbooks.com.au/browse/books/other-books/I-Didnt-Do-The-Thing-Today-Madeleine-Dore-9781922351500) . If you&#39;re keen for other writerly things to kick off your year, join Kate in he...
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It&#39;s the end of season four!  We&#39;re looking back on the year that was, with best reads, best listens, best watches... Best everything basically.

Check out show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirsttimepodcast.com (http://www.thefirsttimepodcast.com/) or get in touch via Twitter (@thefirsttimepod) (https://twitter.com/thefirsttimepod) or Instagram (@thefirsttimepod) (https://www.in...
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For our final interview of Season 4, Kate speaks to the woman herself - lit world legend, Helen Garner. They discuss diaries, editing, triangles, criticism, marriage, motherhood, sublime joy and how Garner pulled together her most recent, explosive volume of diaries - How to End a Story. (https://www.textpublishing.com.au/books/how-to-end-a-story-diaries-1995-1998) It&#39;s a warm and clever and wo...
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S4 Ep142: Hannah Kent on boundaries, historical fiction and Devotion
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Kate speaks to acclaimed novelist, lit journal co-founder and now screenwriter, Hannah Kent. They discuss the importance of lit communities, second book wobbles, making boundaries and why Kent is no longer wedded to the historical archive. Absolutely no spoilers re Kent&#39;s latest novel DEVOTION, but definitely excellent advice and writerly wisdom.

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Kate and Katherine are out of lockdown (again) and they take a moment to reflect on the last eighteen months and how the hell they are going to get their writing routines back on track. Some recommendations, events and general giddiness are Katherine&#39;s upcoming NEW RELEASE!!! 
 
Check out show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirsttimepodcast.com (http://www.thefirsttimepodcast.com/...
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Katherine speaks to author Garry Disher. Garry is the author of more than 50 books across multiple genres including crime thrillers, general/literary novels and fiction for children and teenagers. They discuss how he researches his novels, perseverance, and how you need to write with a blue pen in order for the magic to happen.

Check out show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirstt...
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S4 Ep139: Madeleine Ryan on intuition, labels and Tarot 
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Katherine speaks to writer and author, Madeleine Ryan. They discuss Ryan&#39;s first novel A Room Called Earth, intuition, labels and Tarot. 

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Kate and Katherine are nearly out of lockdown and this episode is unscripted, general delirium. Plus, a considerable amount of gushing over Brendan Cowell.
 
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Kate speaks to writer, playwright and actor Brendan Cowell. And okay, maybe she fangirls a bit. They discuss creativity in lockdown, toxic masculinity, poetry, football, success and the writing of Cowell&#39;s latest novel, PLUM. They are also joined by Brendan&#39;s mum, Yvonne Cowell, who is ace.

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Katherine speaks with author Anna Buist, who has arguably the most varied writing career of any guest on the show so far. They discuss erotic fiction, mental health, planning, plotting and co-writing novels.   

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Kate and Katherine talk to award winning best selling author (and our former Agony Aunt) Charlotte Wood about her new book The Luminous Solution, which is all about creativity, resilience and the inner life.
 
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Kate finally speaks to Claire Christian, the author of Kate&#39;s most recommended 2020 book IT&#39;S BEEN A PLEASURE, NONI BLAKE, (aka  The Orgasm Book Lady). They discuss how Claire moves from playwriting to novel writing, what women want, writing humour, finding voice, how to find pleasure in Instagram and SO MUCH MORE.

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Kate speaks to US writer, Maggie Shipstead. They discuss Shipstead&#39;s latest novel, the Booker longlisted novel GREAT CIRCLE, and Shipstead&#39;s writing process, addiction to awe and travel writing adventures.

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Kate and Katherine chat about failure, mudlarking and the real housewives TV show. Also: writing exercises for when you&#39;re feeling creatively challenged. 
 
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