Comfort zones and Sarah Hopkins on utopia, dystopia and real life as inspiration

Dec 08, 2019, 08:45 PM

The hosts talk about getting out of their comfort zones and what's pushed them this year.  Then Katherine talks to Sydney-based author and criminal lawyer Sarah Hopkins. 

Check out show notes for this episode on our website or get in touch via Twitter or Instagram @thefirsttimepod.

Don't forget you can support us and the making of Season Two via our Patreon page! Thanks for joining us!