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Host Mel Barrett investigates a famous murder case that has split the community in her home state of New Hampshire right down the middle for thirty-four years. It’s a closed case, but based on what Mel uncovers this season in old police files (including surreptitiously recorded wiretaps), never before heard interviews, and a bombshell post trial interview with a juror that’s been hidden away, Mel is about to blow the case wide open. 

On this season of The In Between Podcast, the Accomplice to Murder Trial of Pamela Smart goes under the microscope and Mel finds new evidence that may lead to a new trial. 

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The In Between Podcast with Mel Barrett

The In Between Podcast with Mel Barrett
True Crime
39 episodes
35: **BONUS** Pamela Smart says goodbye
To email Pam your condolences, go to https://SecurusTech.net and add Pam as a contact. Here's her info: PAMELA SMART 93G0356 Bedford Hills Correctional Facility You'll have to pay for stamps, but it's a minimal cost. If you'd like to donate to Pam's legal fight, donate here: https://www.payit2.com/f/supportpamelasmart All the money raised goes to Pam's legal team who are working pro-bono r...
12m • Jul 01
12m
34: Murder in Canton - The Retrial of Karen Read - The Finale
Join host, Mel Barrett, as she wraps up the Karen Read case, analyzes the post trial media, discusses what's next for the investigation and her own work on other cases. Join the club for AD FREE, exclusive behind-the-scenes, and bonus content of The In Between Podcast: https://patreon.com/TheInBetweenPodcastwithMelBarrett?utm_medium=unknown&utm_source=join_link&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creato...
26m • Jun 25
26m
33: SPECIAL DROP - The Readathon NOT GUILTY
Rebecca + Kevin from Crime Writers On and your host, Mel break down what happened on the final day of the Karen Read retrial - including a wild thing that happened in a parking lot in Dedham.
46m • Jun 19
46m
32: Murder in Canton - NOT GUILTY x3
3m • Jun 18
3m
31: Murder in Canton - Week Eight of the Retrial of Karen Read - CLOSING ARGUMENTS
Join host Mel Barrett as she breaks down the goings on in the retrial of Karen Read. This is week eight. The defense rests. Shockingly the Commonwealth doesn't offer a rebuttal and closing arguments keep us riveted before the jury gets the case. We'll have a verdict any day now. Join the club for AD FREE, exclusive behind-the-scenes, and bonus content of The In Between Podcast: https://patreo...
19m • Jun 17
19m
30: **INTRODUCING: Crime Seen #Cybersleuths: The Idaho Murders
In this special episode drop, host Mel Barrett introduces Crime Seen, a true crime review podcast that gets to the heart of how true crime stories are told with hosts Mari Forth & Sarah Carradine. Mel was a recent guest on the show and discussed the Pamela Smart case in some depth as well as the true crime documentary, #Cybersleuths: The Idaho Murders. Please rate, review, and subscribe for al...
1hr 9m • Jun 13
1hr 9m
29: Murder in Canton - Week Seven of the Retrial of Karen Read
Join host Mel Barrett as she breaks down the goings on in the retrial of Karen Read. This is week seven. The defense is well into their case while one cop loses her mind and another switches sides. Also those gross texts from Michael Proctor make another appearance. Join the club for AD FREE, exclusive behind-the-scenes, and bonus content of The In Between Podcast: https://patreon.com/TheInBet...
18m • Jun 11
18m
28: CALL-TO-ACTION Pamela Smart name-dropped in the NH House of Representatives
The state of New Hampshire keeps doing what they've done for 35 years...hating on Pamela Smart. Want to start changing minds? Link to NH Bulletin Article: https://newhampshirebulletin.com/2025/06/05/republicans-pass-parental-rights-bills-as-democrats-allege-children-will-be-harmed/ Link to Rep DeSimone's NH Rep page: https://gc.nh.gov/house/members/member.aspx?member=376807 Contact Governor ...
5m • Jun 09
5m
27: Murder in Canton - Week Six of the Retrial of Karen Read
Join host Mel Barrett as she breaks down the goings on in the retrial of Karen Read. This is week six and as you might expect from the Commonwealth...they introduce another tedious witness, their last, Dr. Judson Welcher. And the Commonwealth rests! Subscribe for updates about the second trial and catch Mel on Crime Writers On The Readathon with Rebecca Lavoie as they discuss the new trial. T...
35m • Jun 03
35m
26: **BONUS** UPDATE ON PAMELA SMART'S PETITION FOR COMMUTATION
Governor Kelly Ayotte and the state of New Hampshire have again rejected Pamela Smart's petition for commutation, but this time...they didn't even give her a hearing. Hear Pam's reaction in this episode. PAYIT2 Legal Fund: https://www.payit2.com/f/supportpamelasmart Join the club for AD FREE, exclusive behind-the-scenes, and bonus content of The In Between Podcast: https://patreon.com/TheInBe...
23m • May 30
23m
25: Murder in Canton - Week Five of the Retrial of Karen Read
Join host Mel Barrett as she breaks down the goings on in the retrial of Karen Read. This is week five, a short week for time, but not drama. Subscribe for updates about the second trial and catch Mel on Crime Writers On The Readathon with Rebecca Lavoie to discuss the new trial. This will be a regular thing throughout the trial so join the conversation here: https://www.patreon.com/collectio...
12m • May 27
12m
24: **BONUS** EXONERATION Samantha and Jules Werkheiser's Story
On this episode of The In Between, host Mel Barrett has an unfiltered and emotional discussion with Samantha and Jules Werkheiser, two women incarcerated with Pamela Smart, who were wrongfully convicted of child sexual assault. Their story is a cautionary tale and they're using their time as exonerated women to make a difference in our legal system, after decades were stolen from them. **LISTE...
1hr 10m • May 23
1hr 10m
23: Murder in Canton - Week Four Recap of the Retrial of Karen Read
Join host Mel Barrett as she breaks down the goings on in the retrial of Karen Read. This is week four and it's drama filled, even though witnesses and evidence are pretty technical and dry. Subscribe for updates about the second trial and catch Mel on Crime Writers On The Readathon with Rebecca Lavoie to discuss the new trial. This will be a regular thing throughout the trial so join the con...
30m • May 21
30m
**UPDATE** Karen Read Retrial Recap Late Release
Hey y'all, it's your host, Mel Barrett with a programming note. Week four of Murder in Canton The Retrial of Karen Read will drop tomorrow before 12p est. Sorry for the delay, but I'm coming at you with two episodes this week. Can't wait to share. Thanks for your patience!
1m • May 20
1m
22: Murder in Canton - Week Three Recap of the Retrial of Karen Read
Join host Mel Barrett as she breaks down the goings on in the retrial of Karen Read. This is week three and it's all about the investigation with two days focused on Massachusetts State Police Sergeant Yuri Bukhenik. Subscribe for updates about the second trial and catch Mel on Crime Writers On The Readathon with Rebecca Lavoie to discuss the new trial. This will be a regular thing throughout...
26m • May 14
26m
**BONUS** The Readathon with Rebecca Lavoie from Crime Writers ON
Listen to your host, Mel Barrett on The Readathon with Rebecca Lavoie from Crime Writers On! Mel will be joining Rebecca Lavoie and sometimes Kevin Flynn from Crime Writers On on their hit show, The Readathon, where they will discuss the daily goings on in the Retrial of Karen Read. Rebecca’s been covering this case for a long time and they’ve got a library of 80+ episodes covering all things ...
52m • May 08
52m
21: Murder in Canton - Week Two Recap of the Retrial of Karen Read
Join host Mel Barrett as she breaks down the goings on in the retrial of Karen Read. This is week two and it's full of drama and a whole lot of different views on how this all went down. Plus, Judge Beverly Canone makes a HUGE decision on a pending motion that could change the outcome of this trial. Subscribe for updates about the second trial and catch Mel on Crime Writers On The Readathon wi...
37m • May 07
37m
20: Murder in Canton - Week One Recap of the Retrial of Karen Read
Join Mel Barrett as she breaks down the goings on in retrial of Karen Read. This is week one and it started with a bang! Subscribe for updates about the second trial and catch Mel on Crime Writers On The Readathon to discuss the new trial. This will be a regular thing throughout the trial so join the conversation here: https://www.patreon.com/collection/595523?view=expanded Follow The In Bet...
19m • Apr 29
19m
19: DEEP DIVE The Investigation and (first) Trial of Karen Read
Host Mel Barrett goes on a mega deep dive into the investigation and first trial of Karen Read on the eve of her retrial. Subscribe for updates about the second trial and catch Mel on Crime Writers On The Readathon to discuss the new trial. This will be a regular thing throughout the trial so join the conversation here: https://www.patreon.com/collection/595523?view=expanded Follow The In Bet...
1hr 16m • Apr 22
1hr 16m
18: **UPDATE: New EARLY Episode Coming This Monday AND Mel B Joins Crime Writer's On The Readathon to Cover the New Karen Read Trial
An important update. Expect a big episode out on Monday, April 21, 2025 in anticipation of opening statements in the second Karen Read Trial starting on Tuesday, April 22, 2025. Also! Host of The In Between Podcast, Mel Barrett joins Crime Writers On The Readathon to discuss the new trial. This will be a regular thing throughout the trial so join the conversation here: https://www.patreon.com...
1m • Apr 20
1m
17: A Mother on Death Row: Darlie Routier's Sister Tells Her Story
In a candid and emotional interview, Mel speaks with Darlie Routier's youngest sister, Danelle, about her sister, the night of the crime, and her family's belief that Darlie is wrongfully convicted of murdering her two young boys.
43m • Apr 17
43m
16: **UPDATE - New Episode out Wednesday 04/16
Just a quick update from host, Mel Barrett. Today's scheduled episode fell victim to the tech Gods, but not to worry, you'll have Mel's interview with Darlie Routier's sister, Danelle tomorrow.
1m • Apr 16
1m
15: A Mother on Death Row: The Darlie Routier Story
On a quiet night in June 1996, the affluent suburb of Rowlett, Texas, was rocked by a brutal crime: 6-year-old Devon and 5-year-old Damon Routier were stabbed to death while sleeping in the family’s living room. Their mother, Darlie Routier, claimed an intruder broke in and attacked them all. But when investigators dug deeper, suspicion turned toward the one person who was supposed to protect ...
24m • Apr 08
24m
14: *BONUS* Sam Nordquist's Family Tells Their Story
In this episode of The In Between Podcast, host Mel Barrett speaks at length with Sam Nordquist's mother and sister.
28m • Mar 25
28m
13: Missing Tortured Murdered - The Story of Sam Nordquist
Sam Nordquist was a typical twenty-four year-old guy. He loved TikTok, his family and friends, and animals. And like so many of us, Sam found love online. After a short period of dating, Sam traveled from his home state of Minnesota to meet his love, Precious Arzuaga, a thirty-eight year-old single mother, whom he hoped to start a life with. But Sam didn't find love in Canandaigua, New York. H...
18m • Mar 18
18m
12: *BONUS* A Conversation with Pamela Smart, Mel Barrett & Ellyn Marsh
Pamela Smart answers various questions and discusses an appeal and what's next. Want to listen AD FREE and get access to bonus content like LIVES, VIDEO, and behind-the-scenes content? Join our exclusive TIBP community here: https://patreon.com/TheInBetweenPodcastwithMelBarrett?utm_medium=unknown&utm_source=join_link&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&utm_content=copyLink Follow The In Between...
1hr 25m • Mar 11
1hr 25m
11: *BONUS* It Happened Right Here
Mel talks at length with someone very close to the case and the boys who perpetrated the murder, Raymond's brother, Robert. Robert goes into detail about what happened the night of the murder when the boys came back to his home and what it was like in the months leading up to the trial, including his thoughts on Pam Smart and her sentence. Want to listen AD FREE and get access to bonus conten...
37m • Mar 04
37m
10: *BONUS* More Than Manson
Even Manson had the option of parole. Mel speaks further with the Sentencing Project and a Democratic Representative from NH who is introducing a new bill that might offer the opportunity of parole for Pamela Smart. Want to listen AD FREE and get access to bonus content like LIVES, VIDEO, and behind-the-scenes? Join our exclusive TIBP community here: https://patreon.com/TheInBetweenPodcastwit...
22m • Feb 25
22m
9: *BONUS* Pam Smart Responds
Mel got the chance to catch up with Pam, which gave her an opportunity to respond to the podcast so far. Want to listen AD FREE and get access to bonus content like LIVES, VIDEO, and behind-the-scenes? Join our exclusive TIBP community here: https://patreon.com/TheInBetweenPodcastwithMelBarrett?utm_medium=unknown&utm_source=join_link&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&utm_content=copyLink Foll...
25m • Feb 18
25m
8: Episode 8: Whisked Away
The media's role in creating the trope of the "manipulative ice princess" and how that categorization found Pam Smart's family desperately searching to find their daughter and sister within the prison system when she went missing during the first two years of her Life Without Parole Sentence. Listen to find out where she was and why her family couldn't find her until it was too late to say goo...
35m • Feb 11
35m
7: Episode 7: Trial and Error(s)
For fourteen days in March of 1991, the country and much of the world was riveted by a court case in a tiny New Hampshire town called, Exeter. The Pamela Smart Accomplice to Murder Trial. ​Perhaps everyone was so enthralled by the spectacle they missed the very real possibility of a miscarriage of justice, but there's the tape and transcripts. Mel takes a deep dive on the trial and errors that...
46m • Feb 04
46m
6: Episode 6: The Spirit Of The Stairway
This episode wasn't planned, but Mel felt compelled to share it when she FINALLY tracked down one of the key players in this story, and he spent an hour with her. This is the only episode in the series that is comprised of an interview with a source. Listen to find out why. Want to listen AD FREE and get access to bonus content like LIVES, VIDEO, and behind-the-scenes? Join our exclusive TIBP ...
59m • Jan 28
59m
5: Episode 5: The Tapes Lie
The wire taps were the only physical evidence against Pamela Smart, so the questions remain: Was Pamela Smart acting when she was recorded by the Derry Police and Cecelia Pierce? She says she was. Were the wiretaps edited or spliced? Forensic audiologists say yes. Who transcribed the tapes? The prosecutor says some "secretary" in the Attorney General's office, not a certified transcriber. Mel d...
1hr • Jan 21
1hr
4: Episode 4: The Intern
Only one of the five teens involved in planning and carrying out the murder of Gregg Smart on May 1, 1990 was never charged and never served a day behind bars. Cecelia Pierce. In this episode, Mel goes on another deep dive to figure out why. She even comes across some potentially new evidence...if she can figure out where it exists. Want to listen AD FREE and get access to bonus content like L...
39m • Jan 14
39m
The In Between Podcast is hosting a Live Virtual Event Tuesday, Jan 14th!
Hi friends! It’s Mel Barrett, the host of The In Between Podcast, coming at you with a very big announcement. On Tuesday, January 14th at 5:45 pm EST, Ellyn Marsh from I Think Not and Rabia and Ellyn Solve the Case, and I will be co-hosting a live event on the Grab Bag Collab Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/GrabBagCollab) for our “Behind the Scenes” and up tiers about my first season of TIBP,...
1m • Jan 11
1m
3: Episode 3: Shoo Fly
Mel takes you on a deep, deep dive into the teens involved in the murder and who they were at the time, and beyond. Was there a reason behind Bill Flynn's emotions on the stand? What did they actually do to Pam's dog? Listener discretion is advised. You've been warned. Want to listen AD FREE and get access to bonus content like LIVES, VIDEO, and behind-the-scenes? Join our exclusive TIBP commu...
45m • Jan 07
45m
2: Episode 2: Resting B*tch Face
Pam is angry. The men who pulled the trigger and killed her husband are out. They’ve been out for almost a decade while she still sits in prison without any possibility of parole. But Pam has been angry for nearly 34 years. Her anger is part of how we think of her, how we remember her. Want to listen AD FREE and get access to bonus content like LIVES, VIDEO, and behind-the-scenes? Join our ex...
34m • Dec 31, 2024
34m
1: Episode 1: Live Free or Die
In this debut episode of The In Between, host Mel Barrett takes you back to May 1990, when Gregg Smart was brutally murdered in the condo he shared with his young wife, Pamela Smart. Just down the road, a 15-year-old Mel listened closely as her family and neighbors confidently discussed the case: Pamela, they believed, had manipulated her 16-year-old lover into killing her husband. Now, thirty-...
26m • Dec 24, 2024
26m
Introducing The In Between Podcast
Host Mel Barrett investigates a famous murder case that has split the community in her home state of New Hampshire right down the middle for thirty-four years. It’s a closed case, but based on what Mel uncovers this season in old police files (including surreptitiously recorded wiretaps), never before heard interviews, and a bombshell post trial interview with a juror that’s been hidden away, M...
4m • Dec 13, 2024
4m

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