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S6 Ep224: Kate &amp; Katherine catch up PLUS Featured Book UNTETHERED by Ayesha Inoon
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Oh we go so many places in this ep: starting new projects, Kryall Castle school holiday plans, The Little Mermaid, how to land an ending on a tv series, great books, and old school video stores.

Our Featured Book this week is Untethered (https://www.harpercollins.com.au/9781867267065/untethered/) by debut novelist, Ayesha Inoon. This segment is brought to you by Harper Collins.

Ayesha Inoon i...
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In this Masters Series interview, Katherine talks to best selling author, television writer and podcast host, RA Spratt. RA Spratt is Katherine&#39;s kids&#39; favourite author. They LOVE her books and series: Nanny Piggins, Friday Barnes, Peski Kids and Shockingly Good Stories (in that order).

R.A. Spratt has also written for dozens of different television shows.  In recent years she has specialized ...
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S6 Ep222: Awkward convo: Endorsements PLUS featured book SEARCH HISTORY by Amy Taylor
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Today&#39;s ep is another awkward convo - one we&#39;ve been looking forward to for awhile! We talk about endorsements - aka praise, puffs and blurbs. How do you ask for an endorsement, what do authors think about the &#39;endorsement machine&#39;, how many are too many and can we do without them? We chat about &#39;Fool&#39;s Gold&#39; (https://sydneyreviewofbooks.com/review/fools-gold-menzies-pike/) - a Sydney Review of...
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This season we are returning to our first-time roots! We hear all the time from listeners who’ve gone from thinking about writing a book to starting to write a book to having their own debut author experience.

One of the things that these new authors say is that they’ve gone back and listened to the episodes that cover off the various milestones. So this year we’re going back too. We want to c...
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S6 Ep220: Kate and Katherine Catch Up + Featured Book HOUSE OF LONGING by Tara Calaby 
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This episode our featured book is brought to you by Text Publishing and we’re so excited to talk to TARA CALABY about her debut novel HOUSE OF LONGING. (https://www.textpublishing.com.au/books/house-of-longing)

Tara Calaby lives in Gippsland with her wife and far too many books. She is currently a PhD candidate at La Trobe University, researching the social worlds of women in Victorian lunatic...
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S6 Ep219: Katherine has news! PLUS Featured Book THE RUSH by Michelle Prak
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Katherine drops some very exciting news! And Kate and Katherine catch up on reading recommendations, more on authors and money and how they feel about AI.

Our Featured Book this week is The Rush by Michelle Prak and the segment is brought to you by Simon &amp; Schuster.

 Michelle Prak (https://michelleprak.com/) (known to some of you on socials as Prakky (https://www.instagram.com/prakky/) !) is ...
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We are thrilled to present this conversation with Australian literary legend - Tim Winton. This is a conversation Kate has been hoping to have since...well, since she was sixteen years old. The interview covers Winton&#39;s latest project - the television documentary Ningaloo (https://about.abc.net.au/media-room/journey-alongside-tim-winton-in-ningaloo-nyinggulu-launching-next-month-on-abc/) - alon...
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Kate&#39;s been wanting to speak to New York Times and internationally bestselling authorAmie Kaufman (https://amiekaufman.com/bio/) for ages! Not only has her multi-award winning work been translated into nearly thirty languages, and is in development for film and TV, but Amie is incredibly experienced in talking and teaching about writing and the strange world of BEING a writer.

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This season we are returning to our first-time roots! We hear all the time from listeners who’ve gone from thinking about writing a book to starting to write a book to having their own debut author experience.

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S6 Ep215: Kate and Katherine Catch Up + Featured Book A Boy and His Bear by Gregory Ladner 
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After last episode&#39;s recording fail, there&#39;s a lot to discuss! Kate&#39;s dipping her toe into TIKTOK, Katherine&#39;s reading a LOT of uplifting fiction/non-fiction, plus the hosts talk debut author experiences -- have things changed since their books came out?

This episode the featured book is brought to you by BFredericksPR and Gregory Ladner.

Gregory Ladner is one of Australia’s most enduring fas...
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Look, we&#39;re all about vulnerability and awkward, so it&#39;s a delight to have shared our recording fail on insta (https://www.instagram.com/p/Crhx9_EMEvV/?hl=en) this week and for Kate to publicly accept responsibility for her failure to press record. We promise that next week we&#39;ll re-record ALL of our recommendations and discussion on the industry and get it to you ears.

Our Featured Segment th...
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Kate and Katherine catch up in the aftermath of Kate&#39;s trip to Newcastle Writers Festival, in which she managed to lose (and ultimately find) both her laptop and her luggage. The discuss festival etiquette and recommends things to read, including everything by Kevin Wilson (check out last week&#39;s episode (https://thefirsttimepodcast.com/2023/04/17/masters-series-kevin-wilson/) !!).

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Kevin Wilson (https://www.wilsonkevin.com/) has been on Katherine&#39;s interview wishlist oh about forever and FINALLY she got to speak to him. The discuss weirdness, including how Kevin writes about it with such tenderness, and talk a lot about art -- it&#39;s creation, secrecy vs publicness. Also, how often Kevin writes (answer: not very often).

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This season we are returning to our first-time roots! We hear all the time from listeners who’ve gone from thinking about writing a book to starting to write a book to having their own debut author experience.

One of the things that these new authors say is that they’ve gone back and listened to the episodes that cover off the various milestones. So this year we’re going back too. We want to c...
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S6 Ep210: Kate &amp; Katherine Catch Up (Headshots) + Featured Book Things She Would Have Said Herself by Catherine Therese
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The words &#39;author headshot&#39; can strike fear into the hearts of the toughest writers. Kate and Katherine recently toughened up: Kate wanted new headshots ahead of the new book coming out and the podcast needed some updating from 2018. In this episode they talk through past photoshoot experiences, what they&#39;ve learned over time and what worked in their last excellent shoot with Gemma Carr.
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This episode Kate and Katherine catch up on what they&#39;ve been reading and listening to including:

The Publishing Rodeo podcast - specifically this episode &#39;Anatomy of a Best Seller (Part 2) (https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/5-anatomy-of-a-bestseller-pt-2-with-richard-swan/id1670458274?i=1000603652294) &#39;
&#39;My mentor John Hughes taught me how to write. Then he plagiarised my work (https://ww...
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S6 Ep208: Kate &amp; Katherine have NEWS plus Featured Book The Bookbinder of Jericho by Pip Williams
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Kate (finally!) has some book news! And responds to a listener question on defining the stages of the editing process.

Our featured book segment is brought to you by Affirm Press and we are delighted to be talking to Pip Williams about her second novel, THE BOOKBINDER OF JERICHO. (https://affirmpress.com.au/publishing/the-bookbinder-of-jericho/)

Pip Williams was born in London, grew up in Syd...
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S6 Ep207: Masters Series: Cate Kennedy
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Kate travelled to Castlemaine to record this interview in person with Cate Kennedy in her beautiful home amongst overflowing bookshelves. Kate attempted to edit down this episode, she really did, but Cate Kennedy just shares so much writing wisdom it was hard not to just give you the uncut super long version! Settle in with a cuppa if you can.

Cate Kennedy has published several collections of ...
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S6 Ep206: Follow a First Timer: Megan Rogers #2 Writing Process &amp; Publication Story 
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This season we are returning to our first-time roots! We hear all the time from listeners who’ve gone from thinking about writing a book to starting to write a book to having their own debut author experience.

One of the things that these new authors say is that they’ve gone back and listened to the episodes that cover off the various milestones. So this year we’re going back too. We want to c...
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S6 Ep205: Kate and Katherine Catch up (Money!)  + Featured Book River Sing Me Home by Eleanor Shearer
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This episode the hosts talk money. They discuss the writing incomes, the podcast&#39;s  &#39;money story&#39; and how it&#39;s changed over time, including the move to having some paid content. Also -- the difference between publicity and marketing, which FINALLY the two of them seem to be across.

Our Featured Book is brought to you by Hachette (https://www.instagram.com/hachetteaus/?hl=en) and we are delight...
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This season we are returning to our first-time roots! We hear all the time from listeners who’ve gone from thinking about writing a book to starting to write a book to having their own debut author experience.

One of the things that these new authors say is that they’ve gone back and listened to the episodes that cover off the various milestones. So this year we’re going back too. We want to c...
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S6 Ep203: Welcome to S6! Plus Featured Book The House of Now and Then by Jo Dixon
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Oh it’s exciting to be back. It’s a typically BIG ep as we kick off Season Six and we go lots of places: summer fishing, social media blackouts, teeth, horoscopes, childhood confessions, exciting 2023 news (which we can’t actually tell you…yet) and a bunch of things we’ve been reading, watching and listening to.

Our Featured Segment, brought to you by Harper Collins, is with debut novellist Jo...
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<span><span class="js-time" data-epochtime="1678044600" data-format="short_date">Mar 05, 2023</span></span>
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S5 Ep202: Summer Series: Dervla McTiernan
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In the twelfth episode of our summer series Katherine speaks to Dervla McTiernan how her writing life began, the importance of setting in crime writing, good vs bad, and all the stuff -- from Plottr to Scrivener and Goodnotes -- she uses to write. Enjoy!

 Award-winning, number one bestseller Dervla McTiernan has established herself as one of the biggest names in crime fiction. Her books have g...
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S5 Ep202: Summer Series: Kim Scott 
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In our eleventh episode of our Summer Series, Katherine speaks with multi-award winning author Kim Scott about history, identity, culture and language, particularly of his ancestors the Noongar people.

Kim Scott grew up on the south coast of Western Australia. As a descendant of those who first created human society along that edge of ocean, he is proud to be one among those who call themselve...
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S5 Ep201: Summer Series: Liane Moriarty
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In the tenth episode of our Summer Series, Kate speaks with Australian Fiction Queen, Liane Moriarty in a wide ranging conversation about her career, writing process and dealing with Hollywood.

Liane Moriarty (https://lianemoriarty.com.au/) is the Australian author of nine internationally bestselling novels, Three Wishes, The Last Anniversary, What Alice Forgot, The Hypnotist’s Love Story and ...
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S5 Ep201: Summer Series: Gabrielle Wang
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In our sixth episode of our Summer Series, Katherine speaks with Australian Children&#39;s Laureate (22-23) Gabrielle Wang.

Gabrielle Wang is an award-winning author and illustrator of more than 20 novels and picture books for children and young adults. She was born in Melbourne of Chinese heritage. As a result, Gabrielle’s books are a blend of both Australian and Chinese culture, with a touch of ...
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S5 Ep201: Summer Series: Social Media Guru - Shay Gardner 
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In the eighth episode of our Summer Series, Kate and Katherine get schooled by Kate&#39;s talented friend, marketing/social media expert Shay Gardner on ALL things social media. This episode was so popular and birthed the phrase &#39;bring the salad&#39;.

Check out this episode on our website www.thefirsttimepodcast.com (http://www.thefirsttimepodcast.com/) or get in touch via Twitter (@thefirsttimepod) (...
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S5 Ep201: Summer Series: Sarah Winman
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In the seventh episode of our Summer Series, Kate speaks with internationally bestselling author, Sarah Winman.

Sarah Winman grew up in Essex and now lives in London. She attended the Weber Douglas Academy of Dramatic Art and went on to act in theatre, film and television. Her first novel, When God Was a Rabbit (https://www.hachette.com.au/sarah-winman/when-god-was-a-rabbit-the-richard-and-jud...
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S5 Ep199: Summer Series: Natasha Lester
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In our sixth episode of our Summer Series, Katherine speaks with bestselling Australian author, Natasha Lester

Natasha Lester (https://www.natashalester.com.au/) is the internationally bestselling author of A Kiss from Mr Fitzgerald, Her Mother&#39;s Secret, The Paris Seamstress, The French Photographer, The Paris Secret and The Riviera House, and a former marketing executive for L&#39;Oreal. Her nove...
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S5 Ep200: Summer Series: Tony Birch
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In our fifth episode of our Summer Series, Kate talks to much loved Australian literary legend, Tony Birch.

Tony Birch is a novelist, short story writer, poet and academic. He is the author of three novels: Ghost River (https://www.uqp.com.au/books/ghost-river) , which won the Victorian Premier’s Literary Award for Indigenous Writing; Blood (https://www.uqp.com.au/books/blood) , which was shor...
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S5 Ep199: Summer Series: Helen Garner
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In our fourth episode of our Summer Series we revisit our most popular ep ever! Kate speaks to Literary Queen, Helen Garner.

Helen Garner’s first book, Monkey Grip (https://www.textpublishing.com.au/books/monkey-grip) , was published in 1977. She is well known for her novels, short stories, journalism and essays, and for several influential works of non-fiction. In 2006 she received the inaugu...
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<span><span class="js-time" data-epochtime="1672860600" data-format="short_date">Jan 04, 2023</span></span>
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S5 Ep199: Summer Series: Madeleine Dore
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In our third episode of our Summer Series, we revisit Kate&#39;s conversation with Madeleine Dore which was a hugely popular ep to kick off 2022. We hope you can apply her energy to your 2023 new year!

Madeleine Dore (https://www.madeleinedore.com/) is a freelance writer, interviewer and founder of Extraordinary Routines. Since 2014, Dore has been asking creative thinkers how they navigate their d...
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In our second episode of our Summer Series, we revisit Katherine&#39;s conversation with Benjamin Law.

Benjamin Law (https://benjamin-law.com/) is the author of The Family Law, Gaysia, the Quarterly Essay: Moral Panic 101 and editor of Growing up Queer in Australia. He created and co-wrote three seasons of the award winning SBS TV series The Family Law and wrote the sold-out MTC play Torch the Pla...
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S5 Ep197: Summer Series: A beginning &amp; Claire G Coleman
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Welcome to our Summer Series! First off we take you back to our very first ever episode in 2018 where we discuss just what The First Time Podcast (https://thefirsttimepodcast.com/) is all about (or at least what we planned back then!).

Then we chat to Claire G Coleman. Claire G Coleman (https://clairegcoleman.com/) is a Noongar woman whose family belong to the south coast of Western Australia....
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We are thrilled to bring you this special episode with Kurdish-Iranian journalist, writer, filmmaker and refugee advocate Behrouz Boochani.

The episode includes conversations Kate had with Behrouz in Aotearoa at Verb Wellington and in Naarm, Melbourne ahead of his sold out event at The Wheeler Centre. At Behrouz&#39;s request, Kate also spoke to his translators and collaborators Omid Tofighian &amp; M...
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It&#39;s the last episode of a pretty epic season! Kate and Katherine talk the year that was for both of them, plus what they&#39;ve been reading, watching and listening to. It&#39;s not a &#39;best of&#39; list but it&#39;s a great list. Things that get mentioned include:

The First Time interview with Kim Scott (https://thefirsttimepodcast.com/2022/08/29/masters-series-kim-scott/)
The First Time interview with Chloe...
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A very special, final Master Series episode for Season 5! Kate was THRILLED to have the opportunity to speak to literary legend George Saunders. They discuss his early writing life, his model for revising, advice to writers, why he loves teaching and his Story Club community and his latest collection Liberation Day (https://www.bloomsbury.com/au/liberation-day-9781526624963/) .

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This episode Katherine speaks to poet and writer Allen C. Jones about basketball, poetry, metaphor mapping and his debut novel, Her Death Was Also Water.

Allen C. Jones is an award-winning writer from California. He has lived and taught in Spain, Mexico, Korea, China, and presently serves as associate professor of literature in Norway. He earned an MFA in poetry from the University of New Mexi...
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Our final Master Series of S5! And it&#39;s a LIVE one! Recorded at Readings Hawthorn with the fabulous Australian novelist and nature writer, Inga Simpson. We discuss her writing career, how to fall back in love with your craft, love of trees and Inga&#39;s latest book - &#39;the great Australian cricket novel - Willowman (https://www.hachette.com.au/inga-simpson/willowman) (Hachette Australia).

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Kate is home and insufferably glowy after her residency, handing in her MS and the fabulous Verb Wellington festival. Katherine is &#39;very happy for her.&#39; Lots of mentions this ep, including:

Verb Wellington (https://www.verbwellington.nz/)
Bad Diaries Salon (https://tracyfarrauthor.com/bad-diaries-salon/)
Meeting Behrouz Boochani - author of No Friend but the Mountains (https://www.panmacmillan...
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This episode our featured book is brought to you by Allen and Unwin and we are delighted to be talking to Heather Rose about her memoir of loss and discovery, NOTHING BAD EVER HAPPENS HERE (https://www.allenandunwin.com/browse/book/Heather-Rose-Nothing-Bad-Ever-Happens-Here-9781761066320) .

Heather Rose is the Australian author of eight novels, writing for both adults and children. Her books h...
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S5 Ep189: Kate and Katherine Catch up + FEATURED BOOK Gemini Falls by Sean Wilson 
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Our first international recording! Kate is logging on from the Michael King writers centre (https://writerscentre.org.nz/visitor-accommodation/) (i.e. her New Zealand residency) and has been walking up volcanos, writing in her journal and doing *some* work on her forthcoming book. Meanwhile Katherine is Melbourne and it is wet. It has been wet forever.

Lots of great things to read / watch / li...
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In this episode Katherine speaks to Dervla McTiernan how her writing life began, the importance of setting in crime writing, good vs bad, and all the stuff -- from Plottr to Scrivener and Goodnotes -- she uses to write. Enjoy!

Award-winning, number one bestseller Dervla McTiernan has established herself as one of the biggest names in crime fiction. Her books have garnered critical acclaim arou...
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S5 Ep187: Kate and Katherine Catch Up Plus FEATURED BOOK My Sweet Guillotine by Jayne Tuttle
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Kate is about to head off to NZ for a long awaited residency (via Varuna the Writers House (https://www.varuna.com.au/) ) and Katherine is making comics -- check out her 100 day challenge via Insta (https://www.instagram.com/katherinecollettewriter/) ). The hosts talk data, creativity and what the best selling book of all time is (it might surprise you!). Lots of mentions this ep, including:

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In this episode Kate speaks with best selling and award winning Australian author and television presenter, Holly Ringland, about her creative process, writing through fear and grief, the road to publication for her debut novel The Lost Flowers of Alice Hart (https://www.harpercollins.com.au/9781460754474/the-lost-flowers-of-alice-hart/) and the writing of her new novel The Seven Skins of Esthe...
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This special bonus episode was recorded with Ben Hunter from Booktopia&#39;s &#39;Tell Me What to Read&#39; (https://www.booktopia.com.au/blog/podcasts/) podcast. Ben, Kate and Katherine review and recommend some of their favourite debut reads from this year. (It&#39;s by no means a definitive list!)

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Son of Sin by Omar Sakr (https://bit.ly/3HsBEsq) |
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Kate and Katherine catch up -- It&#39;s school holidays which means no writing is getting done but there&#39;s lots of reading and listening and general book talk. Katherine&#39;s obsessed with life coaches, maybe Kate will be too soon? The hosts talk academics and serendipity and The Artists Way gets mentioned for oh about the hundredth time. Enjoy!

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In this episode Kate speaks with internationally acclaimed Australian author, Margo Lanagan about her writing career in which she has written a formidable number of award winning titles spanning children&#39;s lit, YA, fantasy, realism and speculative fiction and including the short story collection Black Juice (https://www.allenandunwin.com/browse/book/Margo-Lanagan-Black-Juice-9781741750911) , th...
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Kate has been gadding about at Melbourne Writers Festival, Katherine is still waiting to hear back re her MG novel and they have an epic number of reading and listening recommendations. Diaries, upcoming events, a desperate plea to get a contact for the Duffer Brothers...it&#39;s a full ep.

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In this episode Kate speaks with Australian author, editor and climate activist, Sophie Cunningham, about her career spanning editing, publishing, industry advocacy and the writing of novels, essays and other non-fiction works.

Cunningham&#39;s latest novel is This Devastating Fever (https://www.wheelercentre.com/events/sophie-cunningham-this-devastating-fever/) , published in 2022 by Ultimo Press...
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